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Yeah I don’t trust musk either,,
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Rabbitlicker
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And Trump will pardon himself right before he leaves office for all the felonies he's ever committed & convictions he's been served by Courts, walking away scott-free & serve no time whatsoever.
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I just hope he decides to be on his rocket to Mars to plant the stars and stripes flag himself and we never hear from the cunt ever again.
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Well that’s yet to happen if it does ,,didn’t know you were clairvoyant
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Yup, a lot of back scratching going on
Heard something about him changing laws so voters won’t have to vote again
Did u see him on tv last night signing presidential papers with out even looking at what they were ?
Heard something about him changing laws so voters won’t have to vote again
Did u see him on tv last night signing presidential papers with out even looking at what they were ?
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Crikey / Opinion / North America
BERNARD KEANE
JAN 22, 2025
At a time of heightened media sensitivity to antisemitism across the West and routine complaints from Jewish community leaders, the Israeli government and right-wing politicians that governments have failed to crack down hard enough on antisemitic rhetoric and violence, as well as persistent claims that antisemitism is encouraged and enabled by progressives, one kind of antisemitism seems to be acceptable.
Elon Musk is an antisemite, and has an extended history of antisemitic words and deeds. “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them,” one X user wrote in November 2023. “You have said the actual truth,” Musk replied.
The poster with whom Musk was agreeing had little profile, suggesting Musk had deliberately searched for antisemitic posts to endorse. For good measure, Musk backed calls to ban one of America’s pre-eminent opponents of antisemitism, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), from X. He accused the ADL of trying to “strangle” his platform and encouraged people to follow an antisemitic account.
After a massive advertiser backlash, Musk engaged in some performative penance in early 2024, visiting Israel and Auschwitz and declaring that he was “aspirationally Jewish“, whatever that means. But while he was making nice, X was becoming the most antisemitic social media platform.
An independent study found that X was by far the platform most likely to host content denying the October 7, 2023 attacks. “Although these posts had a far-reaching impact, collectively garnering over 25 million views, after being reported to the platforms, only 6% of this dataset set was removed. The numbers are even more alarming when examining X alone, which had a removal rate of only 2%. X is the leading platform hosting October 7 denial content in this dataset.”
Since then, antisemites and Nazis have “flourished” on X; Musk has also reinstated the accountsof Holocaust deniers who have called for the killing of Jews. He has endorsed the far-right German political party Alternative for Germany (AfD) as the only party that can save the country, despite AfD’s history of using Nazi slogans, downplaying the Holocaust and glorifying German history; he’s also backed the UK Reform Party despite its repeated links with antisemitic candidates.
It’s unsurprising, then, that Musk celebrated the inauguration of Donald Trump with a Nazi salute. Well, it’s a Nazi salute according to historians, according to antisemites and Nazisthemselves, and according to Israeli newspapers. But what would they know? According to US media, it wasn’t a Nazi salute at all. CNN called it an “odd-looking salute“. The Washington Post— controlled by Trump-truckling billionaire Jeff Bezos — called it a “straight arm gesture“. The Financial Review, taking its live feed from The New York Times, called it a “strange salute”. Nine called it an “odd gesture“. Even the ADL baulked at criticising Musk, claiming that it was a “delicate moment” and that it was only “an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm”.
So, who are you going to believe — your own eyes, historians and even Nazis themselves? Or media outlets and lobby groups worried about their exposure to a vengeful Trump and his acolytes and enablers? There’s only one test that counts in determining whether it was any sort of Nazi salute: what would the coverage have been if a prominent progressive figure had performed it? The result would have been blaring headlines, an avalanche of ferocious denunciation and acres of op-eds arguing it confirmed that the left is fundamentally antisemitic. There wouldn’t have been an “odd gesture” in sight.
The fact that media outlets and activist groups censored themselves rather than describe what was blatantly obvious is not merely a demonstration of how cowed they are in the face of the resurgence of a vindictive Trump — who has explicitly threatened to shut down media outlets and jail journalists — and the ascension to power of a billionaire clique of oligarchs intent on exploiting the US government for every dollar they can squeeze out of it. It’s part of how the intense fact-aversion that is part and parcel of the MAGA movement eventually metastasises into a more widespread resistance to observing the truth.
Adhering to facts, whether they serve one’s purpose or not, being consistent from one moment to the next regardless of convenience, and accepting logic and evidence — all of those are anathema to Trump and his supporters, who reject the possibility of anything that could be used to hold them to account. That same hostility to truth has long since spread to parts of the US media; the insistence that the antisemitic, Nazi-enabling Musk did not do what your own eyes showed you he did is only the latest, most prominent example of resistance to reality.
Have something to say about this article? Write to us at letters@crikey.com.au. Please include your full name to be considered for publication in Crikey’s Your Say. We reserve the right to edit for length and clarity.
Bernard Keane
POLITICS EDITOR @BERNARDKEANE
Bernard Keane is Crikey's political editor. Before that he was Crikey's Canberra press gallery correspondent, covering politics, national security and economics.
Elon Musk might be antisemitic, but he’s OUR antisemite, so hands off!
We're told that antisemitism is on the rise, but when Donald Trump's highest-profile supporter makes a Nazi salute... crickets.BERNARD KEANE
JAN 22, 2025
At a time of heightened media sensitivity to antisemitism across the West and routine complaints from Jewish community leaders, the Israeli government and right-wing politicians that governments have failed to crack down hard enough on antisemitic rhetoric and violence, as well as persistent claims that antisemitism is encouraged and enabled by progressives, one kind of antisemitism seems to be acceptable.
Elon Musk is an antisemite, and has an extended history of antisemitic words and deeds. “Jewish communties (sic) have been pushing the exact kind of dialectical hatred against whites that they claim to want people to stop using against them,” one X user wrote in November 2023. “You have said the actual truth,” Musk replied.
The poster with whom Musk was agreeing had little profile, suggesting Musk had deliberately searched for antisemitic posts to endorse. For good measure, Musk backed calls to ban one of America’s pre-eminent opponents of antisemitism, the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), from X. He accused the ADL of trying to “strangle” his platform and encouraged people to follow an antisemitic account.
After a massive advertiser backlash, Musk engaged in some performative penance in early 2024, visiting Israel and Auschwitz and declaring that he was “aspirationally Jewish“, whatever that means. But while he was making nice, X was becoming the most antisemitic social media platform.
An independent study found that X was by far the platform most likely to host content denying the October 7, 2023 attacks. “Although these posts had a far-reaching impact, collectively garnering over 25 million views, after being reported to the platforms, only 6% of this dataset set was removed. The numbers are even more alarming when examining X alone, which had a removal rate of only 2%. X is the leading platform hosting October 7 denial content in this dataset.”
Since then, antisemites and Nazis have “flourished” on X; Musk has also reinstated the accountsof Holocaust deniers who have called for the killing of Jews. He has endorsed the far-right German political party Alternative for Germany (AfD) as the only party that can save the country, despite AfD’s history of using Nazi slogans, downplaying the Holocaust and glorifying German history; he’s also backed the UK Reform Party despite its repeated links with antisemitic candidates.
It’s unsurprising, then, that Musk celebrated the inauguration of Donald Trump with a Nazi salute. Well, it’s a Nazi salute according to historians, according to antisemites and Nazisthemselves, and according to Israeli newspapers. But what would they know? According to US media, it wasn’t a Nazi salute at all. CNN called it an “odd-looking salute“. The Washington Post— controlled by Trump-truckling billionaire Jeff Bezos — called it a “straight arm gesture“. The Financial Review, taking its live feed from The New York Times, called it a “strange salute”. Nine called it an “odd gesture“. Even the ADL baulked at criticising Musk, claiming that it was a “delicate moment” and that it was only “an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm”.
So, who are you going to believe — your own eyes, historians and even Nazis themselves? Or media outlets and lobby groups worried about their exposure to a vengeful Trump and his acolytes and enablers? There’s only one test that counts in determining whether it was any sort of Nazi salute: what would the coverage have been if a prominent progressive figure had performed it? The result would have been blaring headlines, an avalanche of ferocious denunciation and acres of op-eds arguing it confirmed that the left is fundamentally antisemitic. There wouldn’t have been an “odd gesture” in sight.
The fact that media outlets and activist groups censored themselves rather than describe what was blatantly obvious is not merely a demonstration of how cowed they are in the face of the resurgence of a vindictive Trump — who has explicitly threatened to shut down media outlets and jail journalists — and the ascension to power of a billionaire clique of oligarchs intent on exploiting the US government for every dollar they can squeeze out of it. It’s part of how the intense fact-aversion that is part and parcel of the MAGA movement eventually metastasises into a more widespread resistance to observing the truth.
Adhering to facts, whether they serve one’s purpose or not, being consistent from one moment to the next regardless of convenience, and accepting logic and evidence — all of those are anathema to Trump and his supporters, who reject the possibility of anything that could be used to hold them to account. That same hostility to truth has long since spread to parts of the US media; the insistence that the antisemitic, Nazi-enabling Musk did not do what your own eyes showed you he did is only the latest, most prominent example of resistance to reality.
Have something to say about this article? Write to us at letters@crikey.com.au. Please include your full name to be considered for publication in Crikey’s Your Say. We reserve the right to edit for length and clarity.
ABOUT THE AUTHOR
Bernard Keane
POLITICS EDITOR @BERNARDKEANE
Bernard Keane is Crikey's political editor. Before that he was Crikey's Canberra press gallery correspondent, covering politics, national security and economics.
Rabbitlicker
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'Not claivoyant, but I've had experience with a few narcissists in the past & saw how Trump behaved last time he was in office.
Bob, this is what you're talking about:
Again, not clairvoyant, but I predict that he'll seek to repeal the 22nd Amendment of the American Constitution (the one that limits POTUS to no more than 2 x 4-year terms in office).
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i think musk is a complete wanker, but not dumb enough to not know what he was doing ( twice).
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funnily. a pardon isn’t overturning the conviction. it’s still maintaining guilt but gets out of jail. so no (legal) guns for you mr cow-man.
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and what promises they were ......
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Well mainly singing directives, or executive orders ,,many to do with the border,
Stopping any new regulations until they get properly vetted,,
Stuff about keeping prices down and property prices,,though I have no idea how that an be done and lots of other STUFF that a poor simpleton like I struggle to articulate ,,
I’m sure your capable of finding out more of what he has done ,,
I’m waiting for him to start on the education system that’s been grooming little kids into thinking they can be a boy one day and a girl the next ,,and fucking off DEI and all the other woke bullshit,,
Stopping any new regulations until they get properly vetted,,
Stuff about keeping prices down and property prices,,though I have no idea how that an be done and lots of other STUFF that a poor simpleton like I struggle to articulate ,,
I’m sure your capable of finding out more of what he has done ,,
I’m waiting for him to start on the education system that’s been grooming little kids into thinking they can be a boy one day and a girl the next ,,and fucking off DEI and all the other woke bullshit,,
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a bloody good auto correct. that’s up there with the best television of all time. i did a dennis potter rewatch and watched the couple in missed out on at the time recently. karaoke and cold lazarus I hadn’t seen before. both amazing. bloke was a genius.
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Yup Harry’s brother
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both made magic
