The Random Discussion / Argument Thread

[Rabbitlicker]

Hey my green loving friends, seeing as this thread seems to have been of a passionate political nature lately I was interested in where everyone gets their news or interpretation of facts or opinions from?

I don't listen to an enormous amount of legacy media and whilst I trust some outlets for general reporting I choose to listen to people who seem genuine, are entertaining and independent. Also willing to call people out or Q things no matter who or what side of the fence they sit.

Pissed Off Bartender, Trae Crowder (Liberal Redneck), Supertanskiii, Johnathon Pie, Secular Talk and Hawkes Podcast all get my attention for international commentary.

Punters Politics and The West Report for Australian stuff.

And the great man Terence McKenna who in 1998 predicted that things would get incredibly rocky globally because the systems in place are inadequate. He thought there would be a dangerous rise in fascism, climate catastrophes and pandemics within 30 years. Not at all depressing hahaha.

Time to roll one me thinks and get back to trimming.

I have no particular political leanings (in fact, I despise politics & politicians in general). My opinions are based on decades of personal experience & observations of people & circumstances

I watch the ABC news, only because I don't want to be bombarded with adverts, dash-cam footage of car accidents & barraged by interminable fucking AFL coverage.

I wrote a diatribe, but I think it's best left to a private conversation.

 

[Johnny Walker]

You mean the paid protesters ?

Adam schiff can say all he wants but like all leftie false news he has no facts ,,,but matter of fact it is Him that will be investigated ,,salary under 200 thousand a year but a multi millionaire..the silly cunt bought himself undone by projecting onto the republicans,,he will go down with Pelosi and a dozen or so other democrats that have really been buying and selling with insider information.




Trump doesn’t even want tariffs ,,so there is no way he would take advice from Navarro ,,it’s only the leftie bullshit you listen to that thinks he would take advice from him..

Did the wokies tell you Maga aren’t laughing at him ?,,wrong again.
Even musk got in and called him a moron ,,

What were you virtue signalling the other day about some innocent guy getting deported ? Wrong again,, More leftie bullshit ,,,fuck you are gullible.
Just another example of you hating Americans and favouring
Criminal gang members that rape and kill their children .
You aught to be ashamed of yourself.

So can you list where you get your information from like the others have??

 

[missrachael]

I have no particular political leanings (in fact, I despise politics & politicians in general). My opinions are based on decades of personal experience & observations of people & circumstances

I watch the ABC news, only because I don't want to be bombarded with adverts, dash-cam footage of car accidents & barraged by interminable fucking AFL coverage.

I wrote a diatribe, but I think it's best left to a private conversation.

Likewise. Not a fan of left, right or any ideology. I guess I've become more interested in what's going on in recent years due to the fact that we appear to be in a bit of a shit fight.
Footy footy footy footy footy arghhhh. Seriously.

 

[Sedge]

Pot calling the kettle black again mate. The only "news sources" you ever seem to use are RWNJ YouTube videos.
Seriously high brow stuff mate. You can't see that you live in a RWNJ echo chamber pal - sad that you regurgitate
this lame ass bullshit mate but you're just so far down your little Trump rabbit hole it's no longer a surprise.

As I previously observed, you really should just sell up here, since you hate Australia so much and go live in Florida or maybe Alabama, buy a few guns and sit on your porch taking pot shots at those immigrant varmints. Lol. Have a carrot mate.

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PS - When you have to resort to throwing out personal transphobia and homophobic insults on here at people you disagree with, that is your "white flag" moment - proof that you have nothing and you have lost the argument and are incapable of participating in a reasoned, logical discussion. It's there for all to see .......

Your condition may benefit by watching this ,

 

[Sun Ra]

What a positive and uplifting message heading into the Easter long weekend .....

https://twitter.com/x/status/1912710886219034658

 

[Sedge]

Oh shit ,,you wokies won’t like this if Trump says the same to Albanese.

 

[Abnormal÷curiosity]

How many fuckeit PM's will we go thrie before soem sone Osgood coe s up I dot follow politics really so idk if i had to vote I think I dislike Pauline tje least

 

[Rabbitlicker]

Oh shit ,,you wokies won’t like this if Trump says the same to Albanese.

Yet another example of Trump's administration bullying of other countries with their own agenda with threats & ultimatums if they don't go along with his "My way or the highway" dictum.

I see a distinct difference between the ideal of "Free Speech", as opposed to "Hate Speech".

A parody of US foreign policy by an OPENLY GAY British comedian from decades ago:

Not much changes, eh?

 

[Harry bootlace]

love kenny everette

 

[itchybro]

I see a distinct difference between the ideal of "Free Speech", as opposed to "Hate Speech".

happy for your or a government to make that distinction on your behalf ?
if you are happy for that to happen , posters on this thread could find themselves in a spot of bother

 

[Rabbitlicker]

happy for your or a government to make that distinction on your behalf ?
if you are happy for that to happen , posters on this thread could find themselves in a spot of bother

The ones pushing full-on Woke shit, or the ones pushing full-on hate shit?

One side is pushing for the freedom to "be" & express themselves. That, to me, is fine.

Personally, I just can't stand the fuckwits who get all "hurt" when you don't use their preferred pronoun or accept that in the next 30 minutes, they want to identify as a trans-gender ferret, then change their mind minutes later & insist on being recognised as an LGBTIQA+++...(ad-nauseam) Llama with carnivorous tendencies & superhuman abilities.

That is one extreme, but I don't think that extremist view should have political backing/legislation.

On the other extreme, we have the RWNJ's that insist that there are only two sexual orientations (like...it's a matter of choice for them (let's talk about hermie cannabis plants...)?? Anything else is "too different", an aberration of nature & should be forcibly eradicated because it doesn't fit with their Judeo-Christian values??

"Go back to where you came-from & take your aberrant religious practices with you, because there's no place for anything in this country that doesn't fit with my own personal views". I get the sentiment, but that's just xenophobic hate-speech & similarly, shouldn't have political backing/legislation under the guise of "Free-Speech".

Somewhere in the middle lies the solution. That doesn't mean I'm a fence-sitter, simply that I can appreciate both sides' opinions. Just not the extremes.

NO AI was used here. These are all my own words, carefully constructed.

Anyone that disagrees with me can go fuck themselves, waving either a Rainbow flag, or Swastika flag.....

 

[itchybro]

The ones pushing full-on Woke shit, or the ones pushing full-on hate shit?

One side is pushing for the freedom to "be" & express themselves. That, to me, is fine.

Personally, I just can't stand the fuckwits who get all "hurt" when you don't use their preferred pronoun or accept that in the next 30 minutes, they want to identify as a trans-gender ferret, then change their mind minutes later & insist on being recognised as an LGBTIQA+++...(ad-nauseam) Llama with carnivorous tendencies & superhuman abilities.

That is one extreme, but I don't think that extremist view should have political backing/legislation.

On the other extreme, we have the RWNJ's that insist that there are only two sexual orientations (like...it's a matter of choice for them (let's talk about hermie cannabis plants...)?? Anything else is "too different", an aberration of nature & should be forcibly eradicated because it doesn't fit with their Judeo-Christian values??

"Go back to where you came-from & take your aberrant religious practices with you, because there's no place for anything in this country that doesn't fit with my own personal views". I get the sentiment, but that's just xenophobic hate-speech & similarly, shouldn't have political backing/legislation under the guise of "Free-Speech".

Somewhere in the middle lies the solution. That doesn't mean I'm a fence-sitter, simply that I can appreciate both sides' opinions. Just not the extremes.

NO AI was used here. These are all my own words, carefully constructed.

Anyone that disagrees with me can go fuck themselves, waving either a Rainbow flag, or Swastika flag.....

we all know what governments can do when given the power , when a small thing can be manipulated / massaged into something more than it's starting point down the road , the other thing we know is if you give up something to a government you very rarely get it back

the question i posed was , would you be happy with a government making a decision "for you" when it comes to both sides of that statement you just put forward , things you agree with or things you don't ?
you could be right , the solution lies in the middle somewhere but again are you happy to have a government find that middle ground for you ?

 

[Rabbitlicker]

To answer your question directly, no. I wouldn't be happy with ANY government making those decisions for me. Basically, I don't trust them. Any vote I cast is only going to be swallowed-up by the majority & I will have no autonomy to make decisions for myself. It's the way Democracy works. Anything else is tantamount to Anarchy.

Unfortunately, unless we get a majority Libertarian Government (which ain't gonna happen), I can't see that we will have any say in exactly where our taxes are spent. The duopoly will reign.

F'rinstance - Should we buy obsolete US/UK nuclear submarines for an obscene amount? No, because it makes Australia beholden to the US & uses us as cannon-fodder for US strategic foreign policy. Those funds could be better spent here, rather than OS. We don't get to vote on that specific issue, as it's in the hands of whoever is in government at the time. The reason the deal was struck, is probably because Australia has large quantities of uranium & others want it. Can we rely on the US/UK promises to come to our aid in the event of conflict once we've provided it? I doubt it.

The Uranium we have (along with an abundance of other minerals & natural resources) should be used for Australian self-sufficiency. I'm wholeheartedly behind using our own resources for "US" & not the benefit of others.

Just one example of my cynicism of current world & Australian politics.

 

[itchybro]

i've said on this forum a few times " we need a new system of government " unfortunately i'm not smart enough to be able to lay out what a new system should look like , also unfortunately a new system is never going to happen , at least not in my life time

i agree with most of what you've posted but to get back to where this started with the vid sedge posted re the US pressuring the UK on free speech , first off there is no evidence that the US " Are " using free speech as part of trade negotiations with the UK , the woman in the vid even said as much , there has been no US gov official that's made any on the record statement in regards to this , to say the US gov or Trump is bullying the UK re free speech has no validity at least on official record , yes Vance did make general comment re free speech at the white house while with the UK PM but you can't call that bullying imo

however let's just assume that there has been pressure by the US on the UK in this regard , Is it a bad thing if the US "do" pressure the UK re there free speech laws , when you see people like Julie Sweeney ( i think that's her name ) jailed for 15 months over a facebook post or Tommy Robinson also jailed on the reporting on the rap gangs & other things in the UK , whether i agree with there public statements or not i absolutely agree with there right to say it , as it seems you do too with your answer of " No " to my question

 

[missrachael]

The ones pushing full-on Woke shit, or the ones pushing full-on hate shit?

One side is pushing for the freedom to "be" & express themselves. That, to me, is fine.

Personally, I just can't stand the fuckwits who get all "hurt" when you don't use their preferred pronoun or accept that in the next 30 minutes, they want to identify as a trans-gender ferret, then change their mind minutes later & insist on being recognised as an LGBTIQA+++...(ad-nauseam) Llama with carnivorous tendencies & superhuman abilities.

That is one extreme, but I don't think that extremist view should have political backing/legislation.

On the other extreme, we have the RWNJ's that insist that there are only two sexual orientations (like...it's a matter of choice for them (let's talk about hermie cannabis plants...)?? Anything else is "too different", an aberration of nature & should be forcibly eradicated because it doesn't fit with their Judeo-Christian values??

"Go back to where you came-from & take your aberrant religious practices with you, because there's no place for anything in this country that doesn't fit with my own personal views". I get the sentiment, but that's just xenophobic hate-speech & similarly, shouldn't have political backing/legislation under the guise of "Free-Speech".

Somewhere in the middle lies the solution. That doesn't mean I'm a fence-sitter, simply that I can appreciate both sides' opinions. Just not the extremes.

NO AI was used here. These are all my own words, carefully constructed.

Anyone that disagrees with me can go fuck themselves, waving either a Rainbow flag, or Swastika flag.....

Well said. You should be in politics

 

[missrachael]

i've said on this forum a few times " we need a new system of government " unfortunately i'm not smart enough to be able to lay out what a new system should look like , also unfortunately a new system is never going to happen , at least not in my life time

i agree with most of what you've posted but to get back to where this started with the vid sedge posted re the US pressuring the UK on free speech , first off there is no evidence that the US " Are " using free speech as part of trade negotiations with the UK , the woman in the vid even said as much , there has been no US gov official that's made any on the record statement in regards to this , to say the US gov or Trump is bullying the UK re free speech has no validity at least on official record , yes Vance did make general comment re free speech at the white house while with the UK PM but you can't call that bullying imo

however let's just assume that there has been pressure by the US on the UK in this regard , Is it a bad thing if the US "do" pressure the UK re there free speech laws , when you see people like Julie Sweeney ( i think that's her name ) jailed for 15 months over a facebook post or Tommy Robinson also jailed on the reporting on the rap gangs & other things in the UK , whether i agree with there public statements or not i absolutely agree with there right to say it , as it seems you do too with your answer of " No " to my question

Absolutely spot on that things have to change. The failure, or success, depending on how you view things, of our current systems have got us to where we are today. Things have to change or we are fucked.

I'm not sure the US is in a position to dish out advice about anything much at present and defo not free speech. Harvard. Naval Academy books banned. Multiple press organisations banned from the White House. The endless lies upon lies upon lies. The list is endless. But all that is just a distraction. Project 2025 is underway.

Honestly anyone who supported Trump after hearing the recording of him speaking about grabbing women on the pussy is concerning to me. But anyone who still supports Trump after everything he has said and done, I have no words. His deportation of those men without due process and now open defiance of the Supreme Court justices ruling matters and should scare the shit out of everyone imho.

I care about everyone and everything on this planet.

 

[Rabbitlicker]

i've said on this forum a few times " we need a new system of government " unfortunately i'm not smart enough to be able to lay out what a new system should look like , also unfortunately a new system is never going to happen , at least not in my life time

Nor in mine & I'm guessing I'm a few laps-around-the-sun up on you. No indictment, just speculative.

i agree with most of what you've posted but to get back to where this started with the vid sedge posted re the US pressuring the UK on free speech , first off there is no evidence that the US " Are " using free speech as part of trade negotiations with the UK , the woman in the vid even said as much , there has been no US gov official that's made any on the record statement in regards to this , to say the US gov or Trump is bullying the UK re free speech has no validity at least on official record , yes Vance did make general comment re free speech at the white house while with the UK PM but you can't call that bullying imo

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck & quacks like a duck, what's the natural conclusion???? Coercion.

I won't go into the whole paedophelia/rape allegations all over again, but see above.....

however let's just assume that there has been pressure by the US on the UK in this regard , Is it a bad thing if the US "do" pressure the UK re there free speech laws

Yes, absolutely, because the UK is its own country, has its own laws & governance. For another country to impose its own values on that system of existence is tantamount to bullying or coercion.

, when you see people like Julie Sweeney ( i think that's her name ) jailed for 15 months over a facebook post or Tommy Robinson also jailed on the reporting on the rap gangs & other things in the UK , whether i agree with there public statements or not i absolutely agree with there right to say it , as it seems you do too with your answer of " No " to my question

I had to go & look-up what you were referring-to.

In the case of Sweeney, it was not the actual individuals involved, but a blanket "Hate-speech" of Muslims in general, after she saw an image of BOTH white & Asians cleaning-up after an horrific tragedy.

In the case of Robinson, he was found guilty of spreading misinformation about the perpetrator being a Muslim asylum-seeker, which resulted in RWNJ riots.

Whilst both of their actions was obviously wrong, they could have tempered their reactions & not ended up in jail for them. As adults, we're expected to be accountable for our own actions & speech & not resort to puerile, one-eyed rants.

Unfortunately, it appears that both of them were probably brought up in an environment of hate/violence & spat their long-held & deeply-seated venomous anger at everything around them. They lashed-out at anyone & everything in an attempt to assuage their own pain.

Am I going all Woke & touchy-feely here? Nope! They got what they deserved & I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

OK, I'm going to admit here, that I'm kinda bored on a Public Holiday that's based on a Pagan fertility-rite from the Northern Hemisphere. Don't get me started on Religion.......

Rats have eaten through the hoses that provide running water for my brewery & grows. I'm waiting for the epoxy "fix" that I applied to cure-off before I can do anything.

In the meantime, it's been good to agree/disagree with you on a few points.

 

[Rabbitlicker]

Well said. You should be in politics

I've been accused of it in the past.....

I've also been told I should've been a lawyer/barrister. Too old for that shit any more.

Right now, I think I need a bex & a nice lie-down. Later, I might indulge in a little bit of cabbage, maybe nibble on a carrot or perhaps a spot of Devil's Lettuce...

 

[Goonie Goat]

Rats have eaten through the hoses that provide running water for my brewery & grows. I'm waiting for the epoxy "fix" that I applied to cure-off before I can do anything.

Fucking rats..
Here they decided to tear open a bag of chook shit fertilizer and worm castings to chow down on.
To add insult to injury they even pissed all over my coco bricks.

Tried to trap them but they must know too much and would rather eat shit than cheese, peanut butter or bird seed.

One afternoon i walked outside and one saw me, unphased just sitting on some wood furniture. Just continued on doing its thing until it saw my German Pointer. It fucked off pretty quickly then lol

 

[Rabbitlicker]

Fucking rats..
Here they decided to tear open a bag of chook shit fertilizer and worm castings to chow down on.
To add insult to injury they even pissed all over my coco bricks.

Tried to trap them but they must know too much and would rather eat shit than cheese, peanut butter or bird seed.

One afternoon i walked outside and one saw me, unphased just sitting on some wood furniture. Just continued on doing its thing until it saw my German Pointer. It fucked off pretty quickly then lol

Yup!! I set 4 bait-stations in the shed a few days ago 'cos they were having a fucking rave party. Even had one on top of the dishwasher!

Checked them today & all the bait was gone. Now all I can smell is dead rodents. At least it's quiet.....