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Johnny Walker

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My mistake I thought you posted 48 which had the pic of billionaires writing letters to governments to be taxed more then posted about them fleeing to tax havens to avoid paying taxes. Hence the contradiction comment.
But hay you have made a few mistakes yourself like the comments about wealth and earnings. You know wealth comes from earnings.
Gina earnt 2.8 billion last year.
How bout asking how billionaires are stealing from the tax payer which I answered.
 
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Johnny Walker

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He is referring to something I actually posted from a link he shared from abc


I posted this picture from the article.
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Here's the other link.

Ha perfect timing.
 

Green Genius

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You know wealth comes from earnings.
huh? If the value of your property increases by 1 million dollars, then your wealth has increased by 1 million. Your earnings are zero.

These are all well defined economic terms that you can google.

TLDR; wealth ≠ earnings

Wealth is the value of assets you own, like money and property. Income is the amount you make in a certain period, like your salary.

 

Sedge

The man your mother warned you about.
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That doesn’t sound right ,,billionaires wanting to be taxed more ?
The woman they quoted inherited money ,,I wonder if she owns companies with employees ,wonder what her yearly income is apart from interest on her inheritance..

and why the fuck would they pen a letter to the WEF,,,the WEF doesn’t tax them ,,why not to the country leaders where they individually live,,unless the WEF control how each country tax their inhabitants, Looks to me that all the countries involved are just puppets.

If they so dearly want to part with their money why not just donate it to their individual countries ,or to causes they deem worthy,,.that article just sounds like bullshit crap to me..makes no sense,,but the ABC is just another puppet MSM after all and not much can be expected of it.

Funny how they only name one person too,,
Have the rich forgotten about philanthropy,,in the true sense ,not like Gates who organises his so called philanthropy to end up benefiting himself..
That whole article sounds like made up shit to feed the masses.
 

Aye Shroomer

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Countries have repealed their wealth taxes for a variety of reasons. They raise little revenue, create high administrative costs, and induce an outflow of wealthy individuals and their money. Many policymakers have also recognized that high taxes on capital and wealth damage economic growth.



So what’s the alternative? I gave a basic example of wealth/high income tax, but if it ends up causing more harm then what’s a better alternative?

It seems more of an ideology than a political law that needs to change. People need to understand the earning enough to live comfortably and building wealth for that sake of building wealth is different and latter forces the divide of society even more.

In many countries, the governments also fail the people by not investing in public services and building infrastructure that serves that country. I’m only able to speak for Australia but anyone can see the health care systems of the world as an example. Medicare is certainly better than the US system. But then I was covered under NHS for a year working in UK and while it seems great, it’s failing worse than Aussie healthcare. Just look at the influx of British dr and nurses coming over here.

So I’ll ask again. How do governments fix these any other way than to tax those who have so much money they don’t need.
 

itchybro

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So I’ll ask again. How do governments fix these any other way than to tax those who have so much money they don’t need.
wish there was a simple answer to that but i don't think just throwing more money at something makes it better , it go's much deeper than that , maybe it starts with how is currant money being spent or currant systems being run

i def don't have an answer & i'm def not wealthy but if i was wealthy i wouldn't just want to give it away , def happy to contribute a fare share even more than a fare share but wouldn't be prepared to offer up a bottomless wealth bucket

years ago Kerry Packer was called into a parliamentary committee regarding him minimizing his taxes to the ATO , for a start there are rules & regulations in place to let him minimize his tax , why ? cause pollies use it too for the exact same reason , what he said back then to the committee , which i think is still very true today , he said , " I'd be happy to pay more in tax but you blokes don't spend it very wisely "

it's a big question that requires a even bigger answer
 

HomeBound_Hound

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So what’s the alternative? I gave a basic example of wealth/high income tax, but if it ends up causing more harm then what’s a better alternative?

It seems more of an ideology than a political law that needs to change. People need to understand the earning enough to live comfortably and building wealth for that sake of building wealth is different and latter forces the divide of society even more.
this is just a thought experiment but I came up with this "word salad" if anyone is interested in reading it.

A Vision for Inclusive Progress: Transparency, Sustainability, and Equity

In today’s world, systemic flaws have left too many people feeling disempowered, excluded, and overwhelmed by inequality. Addressing these issues requires more than incremental adjustments—it demands a complete rethinking of how we structure governance, distribute resources, and empower individuals.

With that in mind, this framework seeks to present an inclusive, balanced solution that integrates transparency, sustainability, and equity. At its heart is the belief that AI and technology, when paired with human insight and ethical governance, can be powerful tools to address global challenges. The ideas outlined here are not a prescription, but a starting point for a larger conversation about how we can collectively build a fairer, more sustainable future.

The Foundation: Transparency + Neutral Governance

Neutral AI governance serves as the backbone of this framework, overseeing key decisions like tax policies and wealth distribution. These AI systems operate under ethical guidelines set by a global council representing diverse perspectives. Transparency is central, with all AI decisions made available for public scrutiny and regularly audited by citizen panels and independent organizations. While AI handles computations, humans remain essential, collaborating through a council of experts and elected officials.

Example: Estonia’s e-Government System- Estonia’s e-Government platform showcases how digital tools enhance transparency. Citizens access nearly all government services online, and blockchain technology secures public records. While Estonia’s system isn’t AI-driven, it exemplifies how technology builds trust, a foundation this proposal could expand upon.

Wealth Cap and Redistribution

Wealth redistribution is achieved through dynamic thresholds, with higher taxes applied to individuals and companies exceeding certain levels. These funds support a global reinvestment initiative that provides universal basic dividends, ensuring access to essential needs like food, healthcare, and education. The system fosters ambition by rewarding innovation below the threshold, balancing individual success with collective well-being.

Example: Norway’s Sovereign Wealth Fund- Norway’s fund, built from oil revenues, invests globally and reinvests profits into public services. This approach parallels your wealth redistribution idea, demonstrating how reinvestment can benefit societies on a larger scale.

Education and Financial Literacy for All

Education underpins this framework, equipping everyone with financial literacy and practical skills like budgeting and investments. Free access to training in trades, coding, and entrepreneurship empowers individuals to pursue meaningful work. Knowledge-sharing platforms ensure high-quality education reaches all, regardless of economic status.

Example: Khan Academy- Khan Academy provides free, accessible courses worldwide, including personal finance and mathematics. Your vision aligns with this model, imagining a future where AI tailors learning paths to individual needs.

Capitalism Meets Social Responsibility

Capitalism evolves to include social responsibility, requiring businesses to reinvest part of their revenue into local communities. Tax laws are globally enforced to prevent loopholes and ensure fair contributions. This model creates a balance where both corporations and societies thrive.

Example: Patagonia’s Business Model- Patagonia invests profits into environmental initiatives and has transitioned ownership to a trust to combat climate change. This hybrid model mirrors this approach, blending profitability with community investment.

AI and Technology for Sustainability

AI optimizes global resources like energy, agriculture, and water, maximizing efficiency while minimizing waste. Renewable energy becomes universally accessible, and carbon footprint budgets incentivize sustainability. Entities exceeding their budgets contribute to a sustainability fund, while those staying under are rewarded.

Example: Google’s AI for Energy Efficiency- Google’s DeepMind AI reduces energy consumption in data centres by 40% and helps cities manage energy grids sustainably. The vision of scaling AI to global resource management builds on such advancements.

Cultural and Philosophical Balance

Governance respects cultural diversity, ensuring no single ideology dominates. Mental health has become a global priority, with significant resources allocated to research, therapy access, and reducing stigma. Policies reflect inclusivity and balance.

Example: Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness Index- Bhutan prioritizes well-being, environmental conservation, and cultural preservation over GDP. This framework’s inclusivity mirrors Bhutan’s approach, with AI analyzing diverse perspectives to create balanced policies.

Why It Could Work (and Why It Won’t)

This framework integrates transparency, equity, and sustainability while fostering innovation. However, implementation depends on global trust and cooperation, which are difficult to achieve. Resistance is likely from those benefiting from current systems and sceptics of AI governance.

Example: United Nations Climate Agreements- Initiatives like the Paris Accord highlight the challenges and potential of global cooperation. While progress is slow, they show that nations can align on shared goals, offering lessons for implementing large-scale frameworks like this.


While challenges remain, this vision is a step toward a world where innovation and equity coexist—because creating a better future starts with daring to imagine one.

Ai-Human-Collaboration.jpg
 

Aye Shroomer

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wish there was a simple answer to that but i don't think just throwing more money at something makes it better , it go's much deeper than that , maybe it starts with how is currant money being spent or currant systems being run

i def don't have an answer & i'm def not wealthy but if i was wealthy i wouldn't just want to give it away , def happy to contribute a fare share even more than a fare share but wouldn't be prepared to offer up a bottomless wealth bucket

years ago Kerry Packer was called into a parliamentary committee regarding him minimizing his taxes to the ATO , for a start there are rules & regulations in place to let him minimize his tax , why ? cause pollies use it too for the exact same reason , what he said back then to the committee , which i think is still very true today , he said , " I'd be happy to pay more in tax but you blokes don't spend it very wisely "

it's a big question that requires a even bigger answer

Absolutely. It’s such a big answer. It becomes a fundamental question of ethics and values. But those two things can never be forced onto us, they are internal.
And at the core of capitalism is that some benefit while others suffer. And it’s the way the western world has been and still is the framework we have.

Communism fails, fascism fails, imperialism fails. Feudalism is not an option. Hunter/gathering would work well with modern tools 😂

That Packer quote is right though. If the government doesn’t actually spend the billionaire tax right then what’s the point.
 

Aye Shroomer

Baked
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85
this is just a thought experiment but I came up with this "word salad" if anyone is interested in reading it.

A Vision for Inclusive Progress: Transparency, Sustainability, and Equity

In today’s world, systemic flaws have left too many people feeling disempowered, excluded, and overwhelmed by inequality. Addressing these issues requires more than incremental adjustments—it demands a complete rethinking of how we structure governance, distribute resources, and empower individuals.

With that in mind, this framework seeks to present an inclusive, balanced solution that integrates transparency, sustainability, and equity. At its heart is the belief that AI and technology, when paired with human insight and ethical governance, can be powerful tools to address global challenges. The ideas outlined here are not a prescription, but a starting point for a larger conversation about how we can collectively build a fairer, more sustainable future.

The Foundation: Transparency + Neutral Governance

Neutral AI governance serves as the backbone of this framework, overseeing key decisions like tax policies and wealth distribution. These AI systems operate under ethical guidelines set by a global council representing diverse perspectives. Transparency is central, with all AI decisions made available for public scrutiny and regularly audited by citizen panels and independent organizations. While AI handles computations, humans remain essential, collaborating through a council of experts and elected officials.

Example: Estonia’s e-Government System- Estonia’s e-Government platform showcases how digital tools enhance transparency. Citizens access nearly all government services online, and blockchain technology secures public records. While Estonia’s system isn’t AI-driven, it exemplifies how technology builds trust, a foundation this proposal could expand upon.

Wealth Cap and Redistribution

Wealth redistribution is achieved through dynamic thresholds, with higher taxes applied to individuals and companies exceeding certain levels. These funds support a global reinvestment initiative that provides universal basic dividends, ensuring access to essential needs like food, healthcare, and education. The system fosters ambition by rewarding innovation below the threshold, balancing individual success with collective well-being.

Example: Norway’s Sovereign Wealth Fund- Norway’s fund, built from oil revenues, invests globally and reinvests profits into public services. This approach parallels your wealth redistribution idea, demonstrating how reinvestment can benefit societies on a larger scale.

Education and Financial Literacy for All

Education underpins this framework, equipping everyone with financial literacy and practical skills like budgeting and investments. Free access to training in trades, coding, and entrepreneurship empowers individuals to pursue meaningful work. Knowledge-sharing platforms ensure high-quality education reaches all, regardless of economic status.

Example: Khan Academy- Khan Academy provides free, accessible courses worldwide, including personal finance and mathematics. Your vision aligns with this model, imagining a future where AI tailors learning paths to individual needs.

Capitalism Meets Social Responsibility

Capitalism evolves to include social responsibility, requiring businesses to reinvest part of their revenue into local communities. Tax laws are globally enforced to prevent loopholes and ensure fair contributions. This model creates a balance where both corporations and societies thrive.

Example: Patagonia’s Business Model- Patagonia invests profits into environmental initiatives and has transitioned ownership to a trust to combat climate change. This hybrid model mirrors this approach, blending profitability with community investment.

AI and Technology for Sustainability

AI optimizes global resources like energy, agriculture, and water, maximizing efficiency while minimizing waste. Renewable energy becomes universally accessible, and carbon footprint budgets incentivize sustainability. Entities exceeding their budgets contribute to a sustainability fund, while those staying under are rewarded.

Example: Google’s AI for Energy Efficiency- Google’s DeepMind AI reduces energy consumption in data centres by 40% and helps cities manage energy grids sustainably. The vision of scaling AI to global resource management builds on such advancements.

Cultural and Philosophical Balance

Governance respects cultural diversity, ensuring no single ideology dominates. Mental health has become a global priority, with significant resources allocated to research, therapy access, and reducing stigma. Policies reflect inclusivity and balance.

Example: Bhutan’s Gross National Happiness Index- Bhutan prioritizes well-being, environmental conservation, and cultural preservation over GDP. This framework’s inclusivity mirrors Bhutan’s approach, with AI analyzing diverse perspectives to create balanced policies.

Why It Could Work (and Why It Won’t)

This framework integrates transparency, equity, and sustainability while fostering innovation. However, implementation depends on global trust and cooperation, which are difficult to achieve. Resistance is likely from those benefiting from current systems and sceptics of AI governance.

Example: United Nations Climate Agreements- Initiatives like the Paris Accord highlight the challenges and potential of global cooperation. While progress is slow, they show that nations can align on shared goals, offering lessons for implementing large-scale frameworks like this.


While challenges remain, this vision is a step toward a world where innovation and equity coexist—because creating a better future starts with daring to imagine one.

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At least this is an answer. It’s come up with some interesting ideas. ( my wife has actually tasked me with using ChatGPT to set out our yearly and beyond goals)

I liked the social responsibility aspect of companies having to invest in their local communities. Keeps money that’s spent by the community in the community. You local Coles will fix the potholes around town.

Actually reminds of the cooperative supermarkets. Which would make so much sense to keep things community based. I would love to run a small scale farm that my produce goes to the co-op
 

Harry bootlace

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Actually reminds of the cooperative supermarkets. Which would make so much sense to keep things community based. I would love to run a small scale farm that my produce goes to the co-op

hell yeah. that sounds great. we used a coop when i lived in sydney ( alfalfa house in enmore/newtown).

i’d really love to do something similar.
i’ll never be able to own property ( or a house ) so pipe dreams for me.
 
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