These are indeed some rare and interesting genetics and I had high hopes! They were from CSI Humboldt. I think the issue was not the TK, but the Chem #1. That #1 is the key. I think the vast majority of Chemdog genetics in a gazillion strains came from #4 and D. I suspect the reason the #1 is so rare is that it was inferior to #4 and D, just my guess after growing the #1 x TK. Last week on The Pot Cast Heavy Dayez interviewed NSpecta (aka CSI Humboldt) and he said the #1 was potent, but very ugly, and slow veg/flower (12wks+). That matches exactly with my experience. It was a bit of gamble that didn't pay out, but I wanted to try something "different" and these PITA plants forced me to learn more about soil growing. I didn't stack the jars, but I'll probably be a better grow next time and ain't that life!