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Faark if Trump takes aim at pharmaceutical tariffs for us or whatever, the PBS is doomed. After all the government negotiates, often incredibly well, for the price the government pays for pharmaceuticals on behalf of the medicare consumer. Trump can easily blow that out of the water, blowing the PBS and its budget to smithereens.
Nah, plenty of other countries would step up.
You reckon they’re going to give up orders for 25000000 million people and say take it or leave it. This is greed we’re talking about and half a shit load of money is better than none.
Red kool aid is down the hall, in the closet on the extreme right.
 

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benn0

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Nah, plenty of other countries would step up.
You reckon they’re going to give up orders for 25000000 million people and say take it or leave it. This is greed we’re talking about and half a shit load of money is better than none.
Red kool aid is down the hall, in the closet on the extreme right.
not quite sure you understood or maybe I didnt really word it correctly.
There are a lot of medications that are patented in the US and solely made by 1 US manufacturer unless under license, these medications are often quite expensive to begin with due to the R&D and general "unfetted capitalist fuckery", although often less prescribed still quite a big chunk.
Yes other nations would help plug the gap and be very generous, India and Europe are powerhouses with pharmaceuticals but differing qualities.
The issue would be with the PBS what would the government do? Pass on some of the cost to consumers whether that be a co-pay increase over the board or just on certain medications, either way the PBS budget will balloon, how badly and to what degree is debatable, I personally think it would be very bad, not quite catastrophic that the PBS goes completely but it could come into question how long can it be sustained. If it does happen to whatever degree it wouldn't look good for any government, probably worse for Albo if it plays out before the election or after if they keep government in whatever form.
Unfortuneatly no red? cool-aid for Benno today, only Colonprep Orange

Edit: Not quite sure this applies to the coming tariffs, including pharmaceuticals, but seems Albo and team and preparing to take the issue of tariffs to the WTO, at least their not taking this laying down I guess but if the WTO would rule in our favor, Trump would just disregard that ruling
 
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Elon Musk pressured to undergo compulsory drug testing for his ketamine addiction

His fitness for duty is coming under intense scrutiny. He's clearly mentally unwell, particularly after the global Tesla backlash.

Leaked reports allegedly from Marco Rubio, who recently found Elon huddled in the foetal position on the floor of Trumps office. Elon was seen sobbing uncontrollably over recent developments at Tesla. Trump was observed stroking Elons air and whispering gentle reassurances in his ear.


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Sun Ra

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Yeah can't see it behind a paywall. But I'm fairly sure he's only got a few years left and probably eligible for parole soon anyway
Friday’s decision on Tony Mokbel’s bail application will go a long way to tell us what the Appeal Court is thinking about the underworld figure’s submission to have his drug trafficking charges quashed.

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Tony Mokbel is applying for bail.CREDIT: AAP

The court has three options:

  1. Say the evidence against him is overwhelming and the conviction stands.
  2. That the role of barrister-turned-police informer Nicola Gobbo meant he didn’t get a fair shake and the conviction is set aside so there can be a retrial.
  3. The whole thing is so poisoned that he should be acquitted and walk free.
You might remember that when Jason Roberts’ convictions over the murders of police officers Gary Silk and Rod Miller were set aside, he was not granted bail because the High Court said the case against him remained strong. He was acquitted in a second trial.

In a bail application on drug trafficking, there is a reverse onus, so the accused has to prove why he or she should be released.

The considerations are simple:

  1. How strong is the case?
  2. Is the accused a flight risk?
  3. Would they interfere with witnesses?
Is Mokbel a flight risk? Well, he has done a runner before. He jumped bail when facing cocaine charges – cleared off to Dry Creek Road in Bonnie Doon, bought the Edwena, a 17.4-metre ketch, for $340,000, then hired a Greek crew to sail to Athens. This was no spur-of-the-moment decision.

He wasn’t blown off course on the SS Minnow, ending up on Gilligan’s Island – he scarpered, intending never to come back. When he was arrested in 2007, he had to be dragged back kicking and screaming onto a government chartered private jet.

He pleaded guilty to drug charges after his lawyer Peter Faris, KC, told him he was sunk by phone-tap material that had nothing to do with Gobbo.

No one doubts that Mokbel was a massive drug dealer. The question is whether the legitimate evidence before the courts proves he was a massive drug dealer.

This is not a case where a jury heard tainted evidence because there was no jury. He pleaded guilty because, guess what – he trafficked drugs, lots of them.

At one point, he had a secret meeting with police where he explained that he was not a murderer, just a drug dealer and that he wanted the killings to stop, so everyone could get back to doing what they did best.

Do the sums – in 1997, he had a small pizza shop and assets of $127,000. Four years later, he was worth $15 million. If he was making $10 a pizza, that’s 678 pizzas a day.

Authorities seized 54 properties, two farms, 30 cars, Edwena (the yacht he used to escape from Australia), a Caulfield horse stable, country hotel, Brunswick market, Sydney Road car park, Boronia pizza parlour, four jet skis, a champion racehorse and a Ferrari. Not bad for a bloke police described as “lacking financial acumen”.

He had his own fashion label called LSD – Love Style and Design – showing Mokbel had a broad portfolio and a sense of humour.

There is this sense that the courts may be tempted to acquit, to punish police for sneakily using Gobbo as a spy.

The best outcome may be to quash the conviction, then do a deal with Mokbel. We won’t re-try you if you don’t sue. He gets a real haircut off his initial sentence, doesn’t risk a longer one if convicted (he got a discount for pleading guilty), and we get to strike this off the books.

The Gobbo fiasco has had more probes than a mission to Mars and produced more gravy than an army battalion on meatloaf night. For many of the lawyers who worked on these inquiries, the greatest dilemma is the land tax bills on their new holiday homes.

The most surprising revelation during the bail application was that Mokbel now has a de facto partner – which is surprising, as he has been in maximum security prison for more than 6000 days. Maybe there is a dating app for convicted drug traffickers.

If Mokbel wants bail, he should get a machete and balaclava and start doing run-throughs on family homes. Then you certainly get bail, which is why there should be an Uber rank outside Barwon Prison.

If Mokbel is acquitted, the most concerning question may well be: Will he get back the wig he was wearing as a disguise when he was grabbed in an Athens restaurant way back in 2007?
 

Rabbitlicker

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Colonprep Orange
I wish you well with whatever is to come for you tomorrow. Making an assumption here.......

A word of advice/suggestion: Chat-up the anaesthetist. Tell them you're a bit scared & ask them to take you out very slowly & give you only a small amount initially & let you drift-down consciously, rather than just dumping the whole fucking charge into your arm in one-go. Couch it in terms of a challenge to their professional art & they'll be happy to accommodate you.

Sodium Pentathol is fucking magnificent in small doses, but it's ultimately there to put you under. Just don't tell them that's your agenda...;)

I've done that with a couple of them in the past & they were very accommodating & quite impressed when I was able to quote Keats' "Ode to a Nightingale" as I was going under:

"My heart aches, and a drowsy numbness pains
My sense, as though of hemlock I had drunk,
Or emptied some dull opiate to the drains
One minute past, and Lethe-wards had sunk:"

Good luck with it all(y)
 

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Been following this bloke for a while.

Brings home a few truths in a some what entertaining way...

 

benn0

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not quite sure you understood or maybe I didnt really word it correctly.
There are a lot of medications that are patented in the US and solely made by 1 US manufacturer unless under license, these medications are often quite expensive to begin with due to the R&D and general "unfetted capitalist fuckery", although often less prescribed still quite a big chunk.
Yes other nations would help plug the gap and be very generous, India and Europe are powerhouses with pharmaceuticals but differing qualities.
The issue would be with the PBS what would the government do? Pass on some of the cost to consumers whether that be a co-pay increase over the board or just on certain medications, either way the PBS budget will balloon, how badly and to what degree is debatable, I personally think it would be very bad, not quite catastrophic that the PBS goes completely but it could come into question how long can it be sustained. If it does happen to whatever degree it wouldn't look good for any government, probably worse for Albo if it plays out before the election or after if they keep government in whatever form.
Unfortuneatly no red? cool-aid for Benno today, only Colonprep Orange

Edit: Not quite sure this applies to the coming tariffs, including pharmaceuticals, but seems Albo and team and preparing to take the issue of tariffs to the WTO, at least their not taking this laying down I guess but if the WTO would rule in our favor, Trump would just disregard that ruling
Fuck me I think I have it all backwards? I thought Trump was imposing some sort of tarrif or something on exports of US pharmaceuticals to Australia, but I think it might be Australian pharmaceutical exports to the US?
Most of what we export is something to do with blood products though that's all I know about our "pharmaceutical" exports to the US and I think it hovers around a billion or something.
Fuckd if I know
 

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ALL of Musks savings claims need to be verified by an independent auditor or court of law. Putting line items on his personal social media account (X) is meaningless. By his own admission he's made lots of false DOGE claims that he's already backtracked on, including his *transgender mice" bullshit.
Somebody needs to check the checker.

Too bad Trump has sacked all the people/positions responsible for objective checks and balances. Elon can claim any bullshit like *transgender mice* on a social media page. Or his $8billion dollar cost cut that was actually only $8 million( not billion) Doesn't mean anyone except MAGA will believe his opinion, especially as he's already made so many obvious mistakes, and been caught out on them.

Not one single instance of "fraud found by DOGE. Speaks volumes for the previous checks and balances that have now been abolished.

All USaid expenditure was approved by joint Congress.
 

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Dutton's comments on 10% tariff war on all Australian goods:

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10 per cent is a significant impost'
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By Georgie Hewson

Given Australia sits on the lower rung of tariffs imposed on a country at 10 per cent, a reporter asks Mr Dutton: "How is that not a victory for our diplomats and for Anthony Albanese?"

"10 per cent is a significant impost and it may not be the 26 per cent that other countries have faced but I can tell you this, jobs will be lost and there will be economic detriment to our country," he replied.
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Australian share market reaction to more punitive tariffs is to wipe $36Billion dollars off Aus share values today. That's going to hurt lots of Aussies, as well as Aus super funds. Everyone except Aussie MAGA cult knows this is bad news for Australia.
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benn0

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Dutton's comments on 10% tariff war on all Australian goods:

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10 per cent is a significant impost'
Georgie Hewson profile image
By Georgie Hewson

Given Australia sits on the lower rung of tariffs imposed on a country at 10 per cent, a reporter asks Mr Dutton: "How is that not a victory for our diplomats and for Anthony Albanese?"

"10 per cent is a significant impost and it may not be the 26 per cent that other countries have faced but I can tell you this, jobs will be lost and there will be economic detriment to our country," he replied.
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Australian share market reaction to more punitive tariffs is to wipe $36Billion dollars off Aus share values today. That's going to hurt lots of Aussies, as well as Aus super funds. Everyone except Aussie MAGA cult knows this is bad news for Australia.
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Yer China got hit with 39%, Vietnam 49%, and India got hit with the 26% that spud was talking about I think and Europe 20%. Pretty shit all across the board, we probably got off lightly you could say. Few other countries got hit pretty bad.
 

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why vietnam so high ? probably because they couldn’t beat their arse in nam.
from watching abc news trump held up a board with the "equivalent" tarrifs in percentages and vietnams was apparently high like 60-something percent. I'm not sure how accurate them percentages are because it seems he's taken in account policies to protect a country from things, like for Australian beef we imposed an import ban on US beef because of mad cow. Trumps reasoning was that we have banned all US beef from being imported so thats why Australian beef copped the tarrifs, or it was an example on why we got hit with 10% across the board. I've only heard snippets of info while watching tv
 

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Albo and Dutton have both denounced all new tariffs, and agreed it will be bad for Australian economy and jobs.
BUT the Aussie MAGA Cult are still supporting Trump.
Is it because they're (Aussie MAGA)fucken stupid?
Is it because they're brainwashed?
Is it because they're illiterate?
Is it because they loathe their pathetic miserable lives? And just want anarchy
Is it because they're simply cunts?

Why would anyone in Australia support this?

Strange phenomenon. Another country unleashes an economic barrage on Australia, and Aus MAGA support it !!!!

I could understand the argument from an illiterate Yankee MAGA who incorrectly thinks this is good for USA( and hurting Aus as well as other countries).

But why does Aus MAGA support it?
What economic, social or political gain do these spastics think it will bring them/us?

Trump hates you MAGA fools in Aus.
 

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Albo and Dutton have both denounced all new tariffs, and agreed it will be bad for Australian economy and jobs.
BUT the Aussie MAGA Cult are still supporting Trump.
Is it because they're (Aussie MAGA)fucken stupid?
Is it because they're brainwashed?
Is it because they're illiterate?
Is it because they loathe their pathetic miserable lives? And just want anarchy
Is it because they're simply cunts?

Why would anyone in Australia support this?

Strange phenomenon. Another country unleashes an economic barrage on Australia, and Aus MAGA support it !!!!

I could understand the argument from an illiterate Yankee MAGA who incorrectly thinks this is good for USA( and hurting Aus as well as other countries).

But why does Aus MAGA support it?
What economic, social or political gain do these spastics think it will bring them/us?

Trump hates you MAGA fools in Aus.

just realised Russia managed to avoid tariffs.
 

benn0

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Strange thing is, maga enthusiasts think that tarrifs are paid for by the nation they're enacted on when economics proves that its the consumer that pays. Of course it can be used to stimulate manufacturing and production in the country and it will affect their buying power from the "tarrif'd" nation, but the fact they don't really understand that it probably hurts them more initially is astounding. We can find different markets for our exports if the government does the work. ScoMo promised this when China fkd us with grain and wine. Big, big promises to open up South America, most notably Brazil but it never eventuated.
 

Harry bootlace

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from watching abc news trump held up a board with the "equivalent" tarrifs in percentages and vietnams was apparently high like 60-something percent. I'm not sure how accurate them percentages are because it seems he's taken in account policies to protect a country from things, like for Australian beef we imposed an import ban on US beef because of mad cow. Trumps reasoning was that we have banned all US beef from being imported so thats why Australian beef copped the tarrifs, or it was an example on why we got hit with 10% across the board. I've only heard snippets of info while watching tv
actually seems like he mixed up trade deficit with tarrif.
if you look at the numbers they are the same just rounded off ( unless trade deficit is less than 10% whee it just is 10%).
he gets them mixed up and nobody in his team has the guts to correct him (?).
 

Rabbitlicker

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Strange thing is, maga enthusiasts think that tarrifs are paid for by the nation they're enacted on when economics proves that its the consumer that pays. Of course it can be used to stimulate manufacturing and production in the country and it will affect their buying power from the "tarrif'd" nation, but the fact they don't really understand that it probably hurts them more initially is astounding. We can find different markets for our exports if the government does the work. ScoMo promised this when China fkd us with grain and wine. Big, big promises to open up South America, most notably Brazil but it never eventuated.
Salient point, but unfortunately, completely misunderstood by the voting public.

The people who voted for this President (under the auspices of MAGA) are now beginning to understand that despite all the bluster & bravado portrayed by Trump during his election campaign, the reality is that they're going to being pay more & MORE & MORE for standard consumer goods & it's actually the Government gets the $'s benefit, not them. They will not benefit in any way.

When other countries start trading between themselves without the punitive tarrifs & ostracise the US from the global market, there will come a time when the US consumers will come to realise the error of voting-in a man that has absolutely no clue.
 
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