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Sun Ra

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Some John Birmingham for your Saturday arvo ......

Leave me with my pain.
May 24

Stricken this week with Man-Flu, I took to my deathbed with Lemsip and iPad, bravely awaiting The End. While dying*, I watched Her, Spike Jonze’s 2013 romantic tragedy in which Joaquin Phoenix falls in love with Siri, as voiced by Scarlett Johansson. I imagined that since I would soon be dead anyway, it would be nice to distract myself with a robot uprising story in which the robots rise up and kill everybody.

That’s my favourite sort, and honestly, that’s what I thought I was getting, but that’s not what happened. Instead, I watched a very sad love story by accident, and it made me so sad my Man-Flu died before it could kill me. So that was good, I guess.

Of course, the other reason I watched it was Scarlett Johansson calling out maximum AI danger boy Sam Altman for stealing her voice and giving it to his new AI lovebot, ‘Sky,’ on ChatGPT this week.

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As someone whose books were stolen to feed the Large Language Model embiggening Sam Altman’s personal worth, I had some sympathy for Ms Johansson.

Also, as someone with a limited set of skills, all of them dependent on juggling words into pleasing arrangements, I foresee a day that Sam Altman gets paid for Chat-GPT auto-generating a new John Birmingham book, and I get to sleep under a bridge.

Perhaps Scarlett and I could warm our hands together over the oil drum fire down there. That would be nice.

The Johansson thing, as Charlie Warzel points out in The Atlantic, is merely a reminder of Big Tech’s AI manifest-destiny kink: This is happening, whether you like it or not. “When your technology aims to rewrite the rules of society, it stands that society’s current rules need not apply.”

I suspect it’s why so many of my writer friends have an almost jihadist fear and loathing of Artificial Intelligence. It seems purpose-built to make us redundant at best or to exterminate us in the worst of cases. At least in the latter extreme, our misery would have company. You would all be fed into the shredders along with us.

This is the Terminator vision of AI gone wrong, and although it plugs directly into the more personal and intimate fears of those with greater exposure to Altman’s manifest destiny, I don’t think it’s the most likely existential downside.

I think the proximate danger is more Star Trek than Terminator. There is a meta-narrative of pain running from Kirk through Picard to whoever is serving as le capitaine-du-jour these days: the idea that pain and suffering are defining qualities of the human experience.

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But the defining quality of the digital age is the algorithmic elimination of any pain and all suffering, no matter how liminal. “There’s an app for that,” promises a balm of code for any discomfort, from the pain of actually talking to another human being to order delivery noodles to the anguish of talking to another human being to decide whether they might be interested in dating you.

Indeed, “talking to another human being” is the behaviour most devalued and succeeded by AI’s threatening promise, especially as it slouches towards sentience—or some rough approximation thereof.

I don’t see the threat of AI as coming from a handful of billionaires who want to be trillionaires inventing a robo-writer that can churn out better airport novels than me in less time than it takes me to reach down and pull out its power chord.

My fear is that in our collective desire to avoid the friction and pain of being human, we’ll outsource to the machines so much of what gives rise to that friction and pain that what’s left is a very poor, undeveloped simulacrum of humanity and that such poverty of being and meanness of spirit could easily become the baseline.

The internet did not destroy our attention spans. Algorithms designed to attack the dopaminergic response chain and deliver billions of eyeballs to advertisers on sites and services like Facebook and TikTok destroyed them. You can read every volume of Gibbons’ Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire online if you want. But you’re more likely to click on a video of a cat riding a Roomba, and then another cat riding a different Roomba, and then something about Nazis. None of which was AI-driven.

But soon enough, everything will be.

And sure, it will suck when the skies fill up with AI-powered drones dropping grenades on us, but I suspect we’ll have screwed ourselves long before then by ceding to the machines, so much of what made us human in the first place.


* I got better.
 

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SAW

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I think we’ll do each other in before that occurs. Nature’s winding up quite nicely atm.
 

Sun Ra

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Issue 278 - 24th May 2024




A list of all the things that cutting immigration could solve​


Hello fellow human Australians,
Peter Dutton here to talk to you all about the biggest issue plaguing this country: immigration. I am sure it is the main thing you are thinking about when going through your day-to-day life.
Immigrants come to this country and they say “I am here to ruin this country.”
You just need to look at the housing market right now. I mean it is estimated that a bit over one hundred thousand houses have been bought by foreign investors. Clearly that is the sole cause of the shortage of millions of houses in Australia.
The only people who should be hoarding Aussie houses are true blue rich Aussie patriots trying to protect our shores from foreigners!
But it’s not just the housing crisis that is caused by immigrants. There are many more things that are to blame, including:​
  • The Economy​
  • Petrol prices​
  • Traffic​
  • The Hague wanting a warrant for Netanyahu​
  • My polling numbers​
  • The noise your mate’s car makes​
  • Burnt coffee​
  • Socks disappearing in the wash​
  • North Melbourne’s footy season​
  • The only carspot available having both the cars next to it parking over the line​
  • Really gross and unnecessary vegemite ‘crossover’ items​
  • The BBC getting most the money from Bluey​
  • Pens running out of ink​
  • Work emails with the phrase ‘as per my last email’​
  • One person going for a hug while the other goes for a handshake​
  • Unskippable youtube ads​
  • TikTok videos of men in wigs making the same annoying impression of women​
  • BMW drivers not knowing how to use their blinker​
  • When the pull tab on a can breaks off before the can opens​
  • Self-serve checkouts saying ‘unexpected item in bagging area’​
  • Hubbl ads​
If you want the end to all of these issues, remember to vote for the Coalition in the next election and do not, under any circumstance, ask us how immigration policy would actually work.
Yours,
Peter Dutton
Leader of Opposing​




 

Sun Ra

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Dutton on Dingle:

Speaking on 2GB’s Ray Hadley program this morning, Dutton said it was “comical” that Tingle told the Sydney Writers’ Festival that Australia was a racist country.

“Laura Tingle’s outed herself now as somebody who is a partisan, she’s a Greens/Labor supporter. She is political in nature and therefore her credibility as a journalist really is shot,” he said.

“She’s just now completely destroyed her credibility, but they’ll keep her on because that’s what happens at the ABC. But as I say, I think it’s comical, and you just let them play their games."


Smack bang on the money Dutto, she's as compromised and biased as any journo in the country.
 

benn0

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Dutton on Dingle:

Speaking on 2GB’s Ray Hadley program this morning, Dutton said it was “comical” that Tingle told the Sydney Writers’ Festival that Australia was a racist country.

“Laura Tingle’s outed herself now as somebody who is a partisan, she’s a Greens/Labor supporter. She is political in nature and therefore her credibility as a journalist really is shot,” he said.

“She’s just now completely destroyed her credibility, but they’ll keep her on because that’s what happens at the ABC. But as I say, I think it’s comical, and you just let them play their games."


Smack bang on the money Dutto, she's as compromised and biased as any journo in the country.
compared to the literal hundreds of journos that out themselves on the weekly if not daily as coalition supporters lol
 

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From The Chaser, today .........

RE: Australian government response to Israeli war crime (template)​


CONFIDENTIAL - TO ALL LABOR STAFFERS,
HERE IS THE FILL-IN-THE-BLANKS GUIDE FOR RESPONDING TO ISRAEL’S BOMBING OF REFUGEES, USE THIS WHENEVER THE MEDIA ASKS QUESTIONS.
REMEMBER TO NEVER PUT THE IDEA OF SANCTIONS IN ANYONE’S HEAD AND ALWAYS TALK AS SPECIFICALLY AS POSSIBLE TO AVOID ANSWERING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY WE ARE STILL SUPPLYING WEAPONS PARTS TO THE IDF. WE MUST DO THESE TO AVOID THE TRAGIC LOSS OF ANY SEATS IN THE UPCOMING ELECTION.
DO NOT SHARE THE TEMPLATE WITHOUT FILLING IT OUT!!!

To whom it may deeply concern,
The (term for ‘thing that happened’ that is vague and doesn’t sound too bad) that has been seen in (location) recently has been (adjective) concerning.
Australia once again maintains our position that (word that means ‘violence’ but in a term that doesn’t sound as scary) should not continue for too much longer.
This tragic (word that makes it sound like a natural disaster) was concerning and as such we are calling for (thing that sounds like action but isn’t).
We are also disturbed by (insert claim that has already been proven false to both-sides the blame for the deaths of civilians) and hope that a solution can be found to bring the hostages home without Israel crossing any (colour of line that Israel is allowed to cross) lines.
Yours in (word to help pretend like you actually care about any of the people in danger),
(Insert politician name here)
 

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100 Curses to try out on your friends, family, peeps you work with, peeps on here, etc.
  1. Change to Hermaphrodite or change gender randomly constantly
  2. Cannot eat, mostly throws up
  3. Animals all grow sick near you
  4. People you meet hate you
  5. Desperately try to mate as often as possible, increasingly desperate and weird
  6. Any meat you try to eat becomes animated and crawls around like slugs
  7. Any plant matter you try and eat turns rotten
  8. You always get sexual diseases and spread it to every lover
  9. Possessed – an hour a night you get up to no good and don’t remember what you did
  10. Horrible crimes and accidents keep happening near you by coincidence
  11. Love Is Blind – embracing a love object like a goat, elderly prostitute or virgin priestess
  12. Nobody loves you and you constantly moan about lack of love annoying everybody
  13. Boats always leak when you are in them
  14. You lose control of your bladder when talking to opposite sex
  15. Uncontrollable diarrhoea and vomiting when meeting new people
  16. Holy symbols repulse you if wielded by believer
  17. Children attack you on sight
  18. Birds attack you in swarms daily
  19. A ghost baby attaches itself to you, crying, weeping and haunting you and your fellow inhabitants with illusions and nightmares
  20. You are doomed to fall in love with a dangerous or inaccessible person, possibly married already or sworn to chastity with a powerful family and followers to stop your advances
  21. You believe the lice on your body are a tiny civilisation and you are their god, you tell people about this often
  22. You only eat worms or grubs
  23. You will not do anything without astrology reading or divination by some roadside hustler
  24. You become a left handed if right currently and the reverse case also
  25. You’re a fanatical masturbation fan
  26. Secret police everywhere are intrigued by you and your success
  27. Police think you look like your up to no good
  28. You criticise everyone's clothing, personal style, haircut and grooming choices as often as possible
  29. A single bizarre magic being torments you every full moon
  30. Horrible digestive emissions – you stink up the place, ruin toilets and everyone hates you
  31. Compulsive smoker – constantly using a pipe and smoking at all times – must smoke something constantly or you go into coma
  32. Alcohol makes you ill and stupid (even more so)
  33. Doldrums – Sailing ships won’t move with you aboard
  34. Someone who looks just like you came and killed some locals – perhaps the mob will solve this problem ?
  35. Constantly mistaken for a criminal – you look like trouble
  36. Flies love you and probably frogs too
  37. Liar Liar! – people don’t believe any of your stories, friends stories mentioning you sound bad, merchants fear you are a con man or robber
  38. Offend Everybody – People misinterpret your words and explode into violence
  39. Birds shit on you constantly
  40. Lonely ghosts and spirits bug you out of boredom and for something to do
  41. Dogs love humping your leg, they talk about how hot it is to other dogs
  42. Everyone you kiss finds you repulsive and wants to be sick after
  43. You find everything hilariously funny, laughing loudly at the wrong time
  44. Doppelgängers causes you problems everywhere you go
  45. Tentacle polyps grow on you
  46. Old friends and loved ones forget you ever existed
  47. Your nose swells and leaks phlegm constantly
  48. You believe what everyone says no matter how stupid it is
  49. Hooves – your feet become hooves, cloven or split - your choice
  50. You can never find your way home
  51. You think ugly people are beautiful and vice versa
  52. You wake up in strange bed every morning
  53. Only fools and children believe you
  54. Barks like a dog, can hear self speech unchanged, everyone else thinks you barking mad
  55. An older/younger version of you hunts you - who knows what will happen if you kill them ?
  56. Sewerage tastes like delicious candy to you, you have no shame in pursuit of this yummy treat
  57. Your teeth all fall out
  58. Your fingernails and toenails fall out
  59. You change bodies with your next lover
  60. Androgyny - people are uncertain of your gender so you keep getting invited to wrong parties
  61. You sleepwalk to deadly locations like a graveyard or a cliff
  62. Your smile looks horrible and cruel and scares people
  63. You grow a beak like a chicken or duck
  64. You eat everything you kill or at least have a bite if pressed for time
  65. Your thumbs disappear
  66. Everyone thinks you are an idiot
  67. When your enemies meet each other they become friends and allies
  68. Unnatural attraction to animals rather than humanoids
  69. Your pets hate you and become aggressive and attack you on sight
  70. Irrational fear of poisoning, everyone is out to get you
  71. You cant refuse a request for help
  72. You cant keep a secret, blab about everything to everyone
  73. All music, poetry, art and natural beauty does nothing for you
  74. You seek out most the decadent, corrupt and depraved companions for horrible parties
  75. You lose an inch in height a day till bug sized, stuff does not shrink
  76. Poltergeist grope members of opposite sex near you all the time causing you much trouble as it looks like you’re doing the groping
  77. Give everyone unwanted, untrue medical advice in a patronising manner until you lose all your friends - obsess and always talk about health, crazy diets and strange exercises
  78. Visited by sky spirits in bed at night, now you want to tell everybody about them and the humiliation they heaped on you
  79. You cant refuse a bet, constantly lose and go broke
  80. You believe you can speak any language but you can’t
  81. Irrational fear of plants and fungus
  82. You grow tentacles or crab claws for hands
  83. Wherever you stay ghosts awaken
  84. You fall in love with and marry a horrible person, you only see best in them
  85. Everyone thinks you are making sexual advances to them
  86. Everyone thinks you are an idiot
  87. You cannot hear without a huge ear trumpet
  88. Your arms grow longer till knuckles drag on ground
  89. All doors lock themselves when you approach
  90. All animals howl in your presence
  91. You sing instead of talk
  92. Birds tell everyone your personal business
  93. Everything you kill appears as a tattoo on your body
  94. Only you can hear animals all making personal comments about you, starts to drive you crazy
  95. You discover you were born with a tail and your mother sends it to you in a jar
  96. Tools and items you need are never where they’re meant to be
  97. You are compelled to only eat stolen food
  98. Addicted to vice including, sex, drug addiction, alcoholic, prone to lewdness and running with crazy gangs of like minded often privileged hooligans
  99. Black thumb – you cannot grow food or cannabis
  100. You support St Kilda in the AFL
 

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100 Curses to try out on your friends, family, peeps you work with, peeps on here, etc.
  1. Change to Hermaphrodite or change gender randomly constantly
  2. Cannot eat, mostly throws up
  3. Animals all grow sick near you
  4. People you meet hate you
  5. Desperately try to mate as often as possible, increasingly desperate and weird
  6. Any meat you try to eat becomes animated and crawls around like slugs
  7. Any plant matter you try and eat turns rotten
  8. You always get sexual diseases and spread it to every lover
  9. Possessed – an hour a night you get up to no good and don’t remember what you did
  10. Horrible crimes and accidents keep happening near you by coincidence
  11. Love Is Blind – embracing a love object like a goat, elderly prostitute or virgin priestess
  12. Nobody loves you and you constantly moan about lack of love annoying everybody
  13. Boats always leak when you are in them
  14. You lose control of your bladder when talking to opposite sex
  15. Uncontrollable diarrhoea and vomiting when meeting new people
  16. Holy symbols repulse you if wielded by believer
  17. Children attack you on sight
  18. Birds attack you in swarms daily
  19. A ghost baby attaches itself to you, crying, weeping and haunting you and your fellow inhabitants with illusions and nightmares
  20. You are doomed to fall in love with a dangerous or inaccessible person, possibly married already or sworn to chastity with a powerful family and followers to stop your advances
  21. You believe the lice on your body are a tiny civilisation and you are their god, you tell people about this often
  22. You only eat worms or grubs
  23. You will not do anything without astrology reading or divination by some roadside hustler
  24. You become a left handed if right currently and the reverse case also
  25. You’re a fanatical masturbation fan
  26. Secret police everywhere are intrigued by you and your success
  27. Police think you look like your up to no good
  28. You criticise everyone's clothing, personal style, haircut and grooming choices as often as possible
  29. A single bizarre magic being torments you every full moon
  30. Horrible digestive emissions – you stink up the place, ruin toilets and everyone hates you
  31. Compulsive smoker – constantly using a pipe and smoking at all times – must smoke something constantly or you go into coma
  32. Alcohol makes you ill and stupid (even more so)
  33. Doldrums – Sailing ships won’t move with you aboard
  34. Someone who looks just like you came and killed some locals – perhaps the mob will solve this problem ?
  35. Constantly mistaken for a criminal – you look like trouble
  36. Flies love you and probably frogs too
  37. Liar Liar! – people don’t believe any of your stories, friends stories mentioning you sound bad, merchants fear you are a con man or robber
  38. Offend Everybody – People misinterpret your words and explode into violence
  39. Birds shit on you constantly
  40. Lonely ghosts and spirits bug you out of boredom and for something to do
  41. Dogs love humping your leg, they talk about how hot it is to other dogs
  42. Everyone you kiss finds you repulsive and wants to be sick after
  43. You find everything hilariously funny, laughing loudly at the wrong time
  44. Doppelgängers causes you problems everywhere you go
  45. Tentacle polyps grow on you
  46. Old friends and loved ones forget you ever existed
  47. Your nose swells and leaks phlegm constantly
  48. You believe what everyone says no matter how stupid it is
  49. Hooves – your feet become hooves, cloven or split - your choice
  50. You can never find your way home
  51. You think ugly people are beautiful and vice versa
  52. You wake up in strange bed every morning
  53. Only fools and children believe you
  54. Barks like a dog, can hear self speech unchanged, everyone else thinks you barking mad
  55. An older/younger version of you hunts you - who knows what will happen if you kill them ?
  56. Sewerage tastes like delicious candy to you, you have no shame in pursuit of this yummy treat
  57. Your teeth all fall out
  58. Your fingernails and toenails fall out
  59. You change bodies with your next lover
  60. Androgyny - people are uncertain of your gender so you keep getting invited to wrong parties
  61. You sleepwalk to deadly locations like a graveyard or a cliff
  62. Your smile looks horrible and cruel and scares people
  63. You grow a beak like a chicken or duck
  64. You eat everything you kill or at least have a bite if pressed for time
  65. Your thumbs disappear
  66. Everyone thinks you are an idiot
  67. When your enemies meet each other they become friends and allies
  68. Unnatural attraction to animals rather than humanoids
  69. Your pets hate you and become aggressive and attack you on sight
  70. Irrational fear of poisoning, everyone is out to get you
  71. You cant refuse a request for help
  72. You cant keep a secret, blab about everything to everyone
  73. All music, poetry, art and natural beauty does nothing for you
  74. You seek out most the decadent, corrupt and depraved companions for horrible parties
  75. You lose an inch in height a day till bug sized, stuff does not shrink
  76. Poltergeist grope members of opposite sex near you all the time causing you much trouble as it looks like you’re doing the groping
  77. Give everyone unwanted, untrue medical advice in a patronising manner until you lose all your friends - obsess and always talk about health, crazy diets and strange exercises
  78. Visited by sky spirits in bed at night, now you want to tell everybody about them and the humiliation they heaped on you
  79. You cant refuse a bet, constantly lose and go broke
  80. You believe you can speak any language but you can’t
  81. Irrational fear of plants and fungus
  82. You grow tentacles or crab claws for hands
  83. Wherever you stay ghosts awaken
  84. You fall in love with and marry a horrible person, you only see best in them
  85. Everyone thinks you are making sexual advances to them
  86. Everyone thinks you are an idiot
  87. You cannot hear without a huge ear trumpet
  88. Your arms grow longer till knuckles drag on ground
  89. All doors lock themselves when you approach
  90. All animals howl in your presence
  91. You sing instead of talk
  92. Birds tell everyone your personal business
  93. Everything you kill appears as a tattoo on your body
  94. Only you can hear animals all making personal comments about you, starts to drive you crazy
  95. You discover you were born with a tail and your mother sends it to you in a jar
  96. Tools and items you need are never where they’re meant to be
  97. You are compelled to only eat stolen food
  98. Addicted to vice including, sex, drug addiction, alcoholic, prone to lewdness and running with crazy gangs of like minded often privileged hooligans
  99. Black thumb – you cannot grow food or cannabis
  100. You support St Kilda in the AFL
you must have too much time on your hands
 
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