Naming conventions for pollen chucked seed/strains?

[JimboBlu]

Are there accepted standards to naming the strains that come from pollen chucks?

I’ve recently produced a bunch of seed and I’m wondering what they should or shouldn’t be called. They were all pollinated with a male The Kraken (7 East Genetics) and the 3 females were The Kraken, 2 Stroke Lemonade and Stardawg (Blackskull). So would they just be called, with male last…

The Kraken x The Kraken
2 Stroke Lemonade x The Kraken
Stardawg x The Kraken

Or something else??? When is it reasonable to just make up your own name, eg ‘Jimbo’s Krak’ Or maybe something else….!

My thoughts are that 7 East Gen and other breeders have likely put in a lot of work and time selecting the specific phenotypes of parents for the seed they sell commercially, so calling the seed I made by the same name made from a pollen chuck may be poor form. Or is it?

Just curious what everyone thinks?

 

[Old fox]

Zero naming conventions. Don't even need to acknowledge the name of parents. You could cross a White Widow and Super Skunk, and call it a Drop Bear.

 

[Sedge]

Yeah pollen doner or male named last .

the first cross is just that ,it’s only a cross unless you had good stable stock to make proper F1s ..

As for naming you can call it what you want but has it got pheno and genotype stability and is it predictable ,,,? or is it worth naming instead of just saying what the cross is .?

 

[R3za92]

Whatever silly name if any - (Female name) x (male or donor name) (any breeding designators ie f generation (f1,f24 etc), bx (back cross) etc)

Ie
Purple monkey - purple goo x dwarf fucker f6.

 

[JimboBlu]

Well fuck me, that’s not what I was expecting. What a complete shit fight we are in then hey. Relying on the the good will and honesty of others. Nothing could go wrong

 

[benn0]

Technically a 'first' cross is a hybrid thus the reason people name mother and father cultivars, usually after a number of generations of sifting through and selecting plants do you get a new cultivar that's deserving of a new name

 

[Hudo]

Kraken Lemonade

 

[Old fox]

Technically a 'first' cross is a hybrid thus the reason people name mother and father cultivars, usually after a number of generations of sifting through and selecting plants do you get a new cultivar that's deserving of a new name

You can name a first cross whatever you like. There's no naming rules.

 

[junglelover]

You can name a first cross whatever you like. There's no naming rules.

I think I just heard Carl Linnaeus rolling over in his grave

 

[Old fox]

I think I just heard Carl Linnaeus rolling over in his grave

Highly doubt it. He was concerned with classification at species level. Cannabis strain names are too granular for classification work he achieved. In a previous life I worked for 3 years with a resource discovery team. Our sole purpose was to develop taxonomies for online information( I E. Metadata), and the team were experts in the hierarchical classification field. Some things are simply too granular to classify in a taxonomy, like individual cannabis strain names. In fact some purists will still debate whether a distinction exists between sativa and indica. You CAN name your new cannabis cross whatever you want. Just like we don't classify every single human beings names in a human race taxonomy, by their given names( first and surname). Like humans, cannabis strain names are just a name/label that's not intended for classification into a hierarchy. That's totally different to a family tree, or strain of origin tree which is intended to show parentage( history), not hierarchy. Now "integrity" in labelling is a totally different beast. Some breeders acknowledge parentage in their labelling. But many seedbanks, particularly Australian ones who are generally using white label seeds, will label it anything they think will sell. Money talks. Integrity is rare in the seedbank business. Call your seed a Ferrari and you can sell it for more profit than a seed called Hyundai Excel.

 

[Old fox]

Highly doubt it. He was concerned with classification at species level. Cannabis strain names are too granular for classification work he achieved. In a previous life I worked for 3 years with a resource discovery team. Our sole purpose was to develop taxonomies for online information( I E. Metadata), and the team were experts in the hierarchical classification field. Some things are simply too granular to classify in a taxonomy, like individual cannabis strain names. In fact some purists will still debate whether a distinction exists between sativa and indica. You CAN name your new cannabis cross whatever you want. Just like we don't classify every single human beings names in a human race taxonomy, by their given names( first and surname). Like humans, cannabis strain names are just a name/label that's not intended for classification into a hierarchy. That's totally different to a family tree, or strain of origin tree which is intended to show parentage( history), not hierarchy. Now "integrity" in labelling is a totally different beast. Some breeders acknowledge parentage in their labelling. But many seedbanks, particularly Australian ones who are generally using white label seeds, will label it anything they think will sell. Money talks. Integrity is rare in the seedbank business. Call your seed a Ferrari and you can sell it for more profit than a seed called Hyundai Excel.

Hypothetically , if I was selling seeds via Instagram, I would research the name of a brand that sells for $2000 a packet. I could then list my white label seeds (that I bought for $1.50 each), using the expensive $2000 brand name. Now everyone loves a bargain, so I'd price my seeds at $200, and compete against the $2000 offering using their expensive brand name, which makes my seeds look like a bargain in comparison . Relax, that's just a hypothetical, it would never happen in real life. I'm sure all the Finstagram seed vendors have impeccable integrity. They're sole purpose is to provide us with the bargain deal of the Century.... they have no concern for profit . I'm sure 3d colour printers would never be used to create/replicate a fake breeder pack.....lol

 

[ThaliaGreen]

Hypothetically , if I was selling seeds via Instagram, I would research the name of a brand that sells for $2000 a packet. I could then list my white label seeds (that I bought for $1.50 each), using the expensive $2000 brand name. Now everyone loves a bargain, so I'd price my seeds at $200, and compete against the $2000 offering using their expensive brand name, which makes my seeds look like a bargain in comparison . Relax, that's just a hypothetical, it would never happen in real life. I'm sure all the Finstagram seed vendors have impeccable integrity. They're sole purpose is to provide us with the bargain deal of the Century.... they have no concern for profit . I'm sure 3d colour printers would never be used to create/replicate a fake breeder pack.....lol

 

[benn0]

He does make a few good points

 

[Old fox]

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White label seeds taste like chicken .

 

[Pikey]

Hypothetically , if I was selling seeds via Instagram, I would research the name of a brand that sells for $2000 a packet. I could then list my white label seeds (that I bought for $1.50 each), using the expensive $2000 brand name. Now everyone loves a bargain, so I'd price my seeds at $200, and compete against the $2000 offering using their expensive brand name, which makes my seeds look like a bargain in comparison . Relax, that's just a hypothetical, it would never happen in real life. I'm sure all the Finstagram seed vendors have impeccable integrity. They're sole purpose is to provide us with the bargain deal of the Century.... they have no concern for profit . I'm sure 3d colour printers would never be used to create/replicate a fake breeder pack.....lol

Or better yet "awkshun" or "waffle" them off and have multiple people pay you for the one pack of seeds .

I know of at least one of these "seedbank" growmie waffle groups that certain people (friends of the scammer) always "won" ...and the punters kept fronting up with their hard earned for the chance to "win" seeds that I doubt ever existed .

 

[junglelover]

Hypothetically , if I was selling seeds via Instagram, I would research the name of a brand that sells for $2000 a packet. I could then list my white label seeds (that I bought for $1.50 each), using the expensive $2000 brand name. Now everyone loves a bargain, so I'd price my seeds at $200, and compete against the $2000 offering using their expensive brand name, which makes my seeds look like a bargain in comparison . Relax, that's just a hypothetical, it would never happen in real life. I'm sure all the Finstagram seed vendors have impeccable integrity. They're sole purpose is to provide us with the bargain deal of the Century.... they have no concern for profit . I'm sure 3d colour printers would never be used to create/replicate a fake breeder pack.....lolA

Yup, genetic testing has turned quite a few plant names upside down in the last twenty years.

You can do anything, name anything, lie, steal cheat BUT international naming convention is about clarity and really, it's not that hard to use. It is an imperfect system but not using it is like throws the baby out with the bathwater.

Who knows, it the future there might even be an international registrar for cannabis cultivars.

 

[HGO]

my method is simple I refer to my crosses by their genetics for example the watermelon dragon x super lemon dragon regs I made last year until I have done a couple of test grows to ascertain how the plants turn out after harvest.
ie make observations on the plants tastes smells and visible attributes. Then a name can be applied if wanted.
I am not a fan of the American culture of giving strains stupid names that basically have fuck all to do with how the
progency turns out after a grow.

 

[Porky]

Hypothetically , if I was selling seeds via Instagram, I would research the name of a brand that sells for $2000 a packet. I could then list my white label seeds (that I bought for $1.50 each), using the expensive $2000 brand name. Now everyone loves a bargain, so I'd price my seeds at $200, and compete against the $2000 offering using their expensive brand name, which makes my seeds look like a bargain in comparison . Relax, that's just a hypothetical, it would never happen in real life. I'm sure all the Finstagram seed vendors have impeccable integrity. They're sole purpose is to provide us with the bargain deal of the Century.... they have no concern for profit . I'm sure 3d colour printers would never be used to create/replicate a fake breeder pack.....lol

Fuck I'm in the wrong industry!!
Porkys quality hermie genetics coming to an insta page soon!!
There so good they breed the next generation for ya themselves!!

 

[Porky]

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I'm guna need to duck off for a pull after viewing this!!

 

[ThaliaGreen]

I'm guna need to duck off for a pull after viewing this!!

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