Modern lighting options.

[Slash]

I’m curious to know what type of lighting options indoor growers are using currently and how they rate them.
There’s a large range of budget LEDs like Mars and Spider Farmer available on eBay which seem to be a popular choice with many home growers. There’s also the more expensive models like HLG, Lumatek etc. available on line and at hydro stores.
We also have many I’m sure still using HPS and CMH. How do you rate your lighting and the value you get from it?

 

[SAW]

Top end?
Australian Grow Lights
Good service
High quality product
Very long warranties
Prices have dropped last 6 months
You get what you pay for?

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[Slash]

Top end?
Australian Grow Lights
Good service
High quality product
Very long warranties
Prices have dropped last 6 months
You get what you pay for?

Grow Lights Australia - Full Spectrum LED Grow Light

True Full Spectrum LED Grow Lights. Made in Australia with UV and Far Red. ePAR. Proven Yields, Quality and Efficiency. Price $ Per Watt.

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Agreed mate. I tend to lean towards the top end and you do get what you pay for in many senses. I have the attitude that in the grow room the source of lighting is the most crucial piece of hardware and it is going to make the main difference in quality and yield for your hard work

 

[Sedge]

There is a hlg video I’m pretty sure I posted it here somewhere,,
They talk with one or two guys from Samsung ,Samsung have worked close with HLG and supply them with the best pick of the top bin diodes ,,aswell as diodes with slight variances that hlg experiment with,,Anyway the main bit of info was that HLG got the best of the best diodes for their lights ,,
I have two from hlg ,,the 600 w doubled the yield I was getting from HPS globes ,,so paid for itself on the first crop,,
The 720w is even better .

Although some other brands claim top bin diodes etc ,,they maybe top bin but not the best of the top bin,,so if you want the best and happy to pay that bit extra hlg are worth it

Just found the video ,,it’s about an hour in ( by memory )
Where they mention what I above said ,,

 

[Indy]

Top end, and the budget was no issue, I'd go this puppy..

Lumatek Zeus 1000w Pro Evo 3.1

Currently using a Spiderfarmer 1000w SE Full Spectrum 10 Bar Light (2022 model). Dialled in around 60-65% producing on average 1.2gpw.

 

[Johnny Walker]

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[Indy]

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Gotta sign up, just to see the specifications of their various light range?

 

[Johnny Walker]

Gotta sign up, just to see the specifications of their various light range?

Yeah that's new. I looked about 6 months ago and you could just look on the site.
Definitely would put some customers off.

 

[Indy]

Yeah that's new. I looked about 6 months ago and you could just look on the site.
Definitely would put some customers off.

Yeah, it's unfortunate. To someone like me its as if they've got something to hide. I can only speculate that their way of thinking is they like to think they're exclusive and ahead of the rest in the game, with the flash website. That shit don't mean much to someone like me. Specifications and Performance is the first thing i want see 'n not the sales pitch they want flog.

Can only hope they get over it, and be upfront about their products.

 

[Love to grow]

There is a hlg video I’m pretty sure I posted it here somewhere,,
They talk with one or two guys from Samsung ,Samsung have worked close with HLG and supply them with the best pick of the top bin diodes ,,aswell as diodes with slight variances that hlg experiment with,,Anyway the main bit of info was that HLG got the best of the best diodes for their lights ,,
I have two from hlg ,,the 600 w doubled the yield I was getting from HPS globes ,,so paid for itself on the first crop,,
The 720w is even better .

Although some other brands claim top bin diodes etc ,,they maybe top bin but not the best of the top bin,,so if you want the best and happy to pay that bit extra hlg are worth it

Just found the video ,,it’s about an hour in ( by memory )
Where they mention what I above said ,,

Double yields seems a bit of a stretch Sedge so in that case if I swapped out my Gavita 750 pros for 2 hlg I would get nearly 6 pound out my 1.2x2.4 tent if that’s the case I’m gettin em highly exaggerated numbers I think mate led don’t penetrate the canopy as much as hps that’s just how it is maybe could say use less power for same results? But 600 watt is 600 watt regardless if led or hps? Yea I know back in my box hps is

 

[Hudo]

Top end, and the budget was no issue, I'd go this puppy..

Lumatek Zeus 1000w Pro Evo 3.1

Currently using a Spiderfarmer 1000w SE Full Spectrum 10 Bar Light (2022 model). Dialled in around 60-65% producing on average 1.2gpw.

A mates got one of those bad boys it kicks arse

 

[Hudo]

Double yields seems a bit of a stretch Sedge so in that case if I swapped out my Gavita 750 pros for 2 hlg I would get nearly 6 pound out my 1.2x2.4 tent if that’s the case I’m gettin em highly exaggerated numbers I think mate led don’t penetrate the canopy as much as hps that’s just how it is maybe could say use less power for same results? But 600 watt is 600 watt regardless if led or hps? Yea I know back in my box hps is

The other way of putting it is. I run the same area as you except mine is 1.2×2.6 so slightly bigger area. My diy led combined Max out at around 1400w. I cant run them at full power they bleech the tips so they run around 960w. I used to run 2×600 and a 400 in that area. Used to average about .8gram per watt. The led I'm getting average 1.4. So I'm now getting around 50 odd grams more on average which is fuck all but burning 650w less power.they pay for themselves pretty quick

 

[Indy]

Yeah, i'm quite significantly better off since moving from HPS to LEDs. I've pretty well always been a sativa/sativa-dom grower over the years, and I've gone from 0.8-0.9gpw to 1.2gpw since making the jump. Best so far was a shade over 1.3gpw. That'll do me, keeps me in enough smoko between grows

 

[Sedge]

Double yields seems a bit of a stretch Sedge so in that case if I swapped out my Gavita 750 pros for 2 hlg I would get nearly 6 pound out my 1.2x2.4 tent if that’s the case I’m gettin em highly exaggerated numbers I think mate led don’t penetrate the canopy as much as hps that’s just how it is maybe could say use less power for same results? But 600 watt is 600 watt regardless if led or hps? Yea I know back in my box hps is

Here’s the video ,,thought I put it in the post I put here on Wednesday

About an hour in, or slightly moreby memory ,where they talk about getting the best of the best top bin diodes from Samsung.

@Love to grow,,
Think I’m talking shit aye ? well you’ve just shown how poorly your doing ,,bet you’ve never seen what a vertical grow can achieve under HPS either..or know how to utilise a globe to its best potential ,,you said your using gravita pro’s ,,that’s plural.
So you’ve got at least two to get 3 lb,,Lol,,I’m beating that with just one hlg 720 w looks like your wasting your power,,

When I used globes in my box which is 1.6 by 1.6. Or 25 sq ft.
It was always in the vertical position ,,method to my madness was to slightly mimic the effect of a vertical grow coz the perimeter plants were sitting on empty pots to get the side lighting from the vertically positioned globe ,,can best be done with shorter plants ,and many of them ,,
So my canopy was bowl shaped , not flat ,which also made my canopy greater than 25 sq ft..
The perimeter plants ,,sitting higher than the inner plants received side lighting down lower than a normal flat canopy would get,,
That gave me close to a gram per W , and often well over 600 g
For 600w HPS ….genetics helped cos sometimes it would be closer to high 500s or somewhere in between..but mostly up close to a g per w..,
Hot summers, and winters where I’d put the heater in too late were my only downfall under HPS ,,or frying them for lack of watering ,,which I’m quite the expert at nowadays,

I’d presume you’d get a higher yield from those gravitas if you built your own box ,,but larger than 1.2 across ,,two gravitas would piss it in in a 1.6 by 3.2.. then you can really brag about yield like me and raise the plants that are at each end ,or all the perimeter plants,,
You would find that the outer plants do fine 80 cm from the globe.

Here is what I’ve been on about. Canopy shape.


Using method seven sunnies in front of the lens so it’s not yellow


Even in the small 1.2 by 1.2 tent and horizontal globe

Now to the LEDs ,,,and anyone who made it this far into my rambling should watch the above link,,especially if they think they have you beaut LEDs and think I’m bullshitting about HGL and the possibility of close to 2 g per w.. probably more with the right genetics and dialled in space

First though,,this might be my best under HPS,,
Current members that were on the old forum might remember this mostly Sweet Seeds “grow,,helped by the C99s from a different breeder. 693.97 grams from a600w HPS = 1.15 g per w.


Now in the same box ,,I think this was under the 720 w LED.
Check the date coz it’s in my grow thread.

Roughly double the yield.
1346.49 grams ,but woulda been more but lost approx 2 Oz to mould
But also got an Oz from deseeded Bud (which went into future oil making )So not even counting mould which would have been a guestimate or the left over after removing seeds ( I weigh after removing seed)it was pretty much 2 g per w that’s the power of HLG ,,and why they are the best LEDs ,,if your space is dialled in and large enough and your not getting similar then your LEDs were a waste of money..

The monumentally awesome power of HLG.


That’s it I’m buggered from doing this post ,but one last thing
@ Love To (waste power)Grow

You reckon you get more penetration with your globes ,,bullshit ,
Unless you have your light on tracks and moving then you have parts of your plants in permanent shadow ,,where as any LED with all those diodes are shooting light down at a zillion angles reaching deeper down than your shaded areas,,it’s like the sky is a big massive sun not a little HPS size one ,,
So instead of calling bullshit on what you know not ,maybe next time you might want to consider all the variables that can happen in the grow room/space.

I think you owe me an apology
And at least a slab for the time it took me to counter your dastardly below the belt accusation

This post bought to you by the letter V for variables.
Never forget the V word.

 

[Love to grow]

Here’s the video ,,thought I put it in the post I put here on Wednesday

About an hour in, or slightly moreby memory ,where they talk about getting the best of the best top bin diodes from Samsung.

@Love to grow,,
Think I’m talking shit aye ? well you’ve just shown how poorly your doing ,,bet you’ve never seen what a vertical grow can achieve under HPS either..or know how to utilise a globe to its best potential ,,you said your using gravita pro’s ,,that’s plural.
So you’ve got at least two to get 3 lb,,Lol,,I’m beating that with just one hlg 720 w looks like your wasting your power,,

When I used globes in my box which is 1.6 by 1.6. Or 25 sq ft.
It was always in the vertical position ,,method to my madness was to slightly mimic the effect of a vertical grow coz the perimeter plants were sitting on empty pots to get the side lighting from the vertically positioned globe ,,can best be done with shorter plants ,and many of them ,,
So my canopy was bowl shaped , not flat ,which also made my canopy greater than 25 sq ft..
The perimeter plants ,,sitting higher than the inner plants received side lighting down lower than a normal flat canopy would get,,
That gave me close to a gram per W , and often well over 600 g
For 600w HPS ….genetics helped cos sometimes it would be closer to high 500s or somewhere in between..but mostly up close to a g per w..,
Hot summers, and winters where I’d put the heater in too late were my only downfall under HPS ,,or frying them for lack of watering ,,which I’m quite the expert at nowadays,

I’d presume you’d get a higher yield from those gravitas if you built your own box ,,but larger than 1.2 across ,,two gravitas would piss it in in a 1.6 by 3.2.. then you can really brag about yield like me and raise the plants that are at each end ,or all the perimeter plants,,
You would find that the outer plants do fine 80 cm from the globe.

Here is what I’ve been on about. Canopy shape.
View attachment 55610
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Using method seven sunnies in front of the lens so it’s not yellow
View attachment 55612

Even in the small 1.2 by 1.2 tent and horizontal globe
View attachment 55614
Now to the LEDs ,,,and anyone who made it this far into my rambling should watch the above link,,especially if they think they have you beaut LEDs and think I’m bullshitting about HGL and the possibility of close to 2 g per w.. probably more with the right genetics and dialled in space

First though,,this might be my best under HPS,,
Current members that were on the old forum might remember this mostly Sweet Seeds “grow,,helped by the C99s from a different breeder. 693.97 grams from a600w HPS = 1.15 g per w.
View attachment 55615

Now in the same box ,,I think this was under the 720 w LED.
Check the date coz it’s in my grow thread.
View attachment 55619
Roughly double the yield.
1346.49 grams ,but woulda been more but lost approx 2 Oz to mould
But also got an Oz from deseeded Bud (which went into future oil making )So not even counting mould which would have been a guestimate or the left over after removing seeds ( I weigh after removing seed)it was pretty much 2 g per w that’s the power of HLG ,,and why they are the best LEDs ,,if your space is dialled in and large enough and your not getting similar then your LEDs were a waste of money..

The monumentally awesome power of HLG.
View attachment 55617View attachment 55618

That’s it I’m buggered from doing this post ,but one last thing
@ Love To (waste power)Grow

You reckon you get more penetration with your globes ,,bullshit ,
Unless you have your light on tracks and moving then you have parts of your plants in permanent shadow ,,where as any LED with all those diodes are shooting light down at a zillion angles reaching deeper down than your shaded areas,,it’s like the sky is a big massive sun not a little HPS size one ,,
So instead of calling bullshit on what you know not ,maybe next time you might want to consider all the variables that can happen in the grow room/space.

I think you owe me an apology
And at least a slab for the time it took me to counter your dastardly below the belt accusation

This post bought to you by the letter V for variables.
Never forget the V word.

So I can even drop 1 light out n get 6 pound is that what you’re saying mate? Gee thanx for the growing lessons master i feel unworthy in your presence nice write up though

 

[Slash]

There is a hlg video I’m pretty sure I posted it here somewhere,,
They talk with one or two guys from Samsung ,Samsung have worked close with HLG and supply them with the best pick of the top bin diodes ,,aswell as diodes with slight variances that hlg experiment with,,Anyway the main bit of info was that HLG got the best of the best diodes for their lights ,,
I have two from hlg ,,the 600 w doubled the yield I was getting from HPS globes ,,so paid for itself on the first crop,,
The 720w is even better .

Although some other brands claim top bin diodes etc ,,they maybe top bin but not the best of the top bin,,so if you want the best and happy to pay that bit extra hlg are worth it

Just found the video ,,it’s about an hour in ( by memory )
Where they mention what I above said ,,

HLGs are quality lights and I rate them highly. Little bit expensive but they produce well

 

[Hudo]

Any good led light with quality components will get 2 gpw. I've found it's the technique that helps too. Grows where I've not been paranoid about number of plants I'm growing and I've maxed out my room with more smaller plants I've hit 2 gpw most the time my paranoid self won't let me do more than 8 in my 2.6x1.2 so I have pockets everywhere where there is no bud. When I do 18-20 my space is filled to the brim and I hit around 2gpw sometimes more more depending on strain. But with the hps id hit 1gpw sometimes but not often.On average with 8 plants with LED it's 1.4 if I can be bothered doing a scrog it's better. Top binned cree J series or top binned Bridgelux thrive aren't far behind Samsung. In the case of the thrive because of the lower voltage they can run more diodes in the same area which they can throw more light than the Quantum boards which run 288 diodes and the boards I've got from Cutter run 404 diodes on the same size board. The thing with Samsung is because HLG use them and let's face it were the first company to build a led that truley smoked hps everyone thinks they need a light with Samsung chips. They go back and forth everytime a new diode is released from rival companies it will be better than the competition, and since Samsung is bowing out the next new release will be the front runner. With LED its all about efficiency. Cree have brighter better LED avaliable than the 301B,H but they use more power. And since the name of the game is power consumed to light produced at the moment Samsung are front runners.

 

[veritas629]

I've been using an HLG 550R for about 4yrs now. It's works great and I have no complaints. I rarely even use it at 100% in my 4x4 tent. However, I live in TAS and grow in an unheated storage space. In the cooler months I sometimes need to added a space heater. The LED creates heat, but not enough in the winter. On the other hand, an HPS with today's summer weather would require an AC, but the LED does not. Everyone's situation is a bit different....

 

[MM2K6]

looking for opinions on the mars hydro ts 3000 in a 4 x 4 tent, is anyone running one of these, how did it go?

 

[Goonie Goat]

looking for opinions on the mars hydro ts 3000 in a 4 x 4 tent, is anyone running one of these, how did it go?

Spend the extra and get the FC-E,
TS runs hot in the middle. FC-E has a better more even spread over a 4x4

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